No, it doesn't fit with the trope or anything else. It just sounds like complaining that they can't fill out the maps, even though they outright admit that it's not needed for full completion.
The last bit about finishing boss fights faster is debatable at best.
Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
It's not debatable. Avoiding the cinematic counters and simply wailing on the bosses has been found by speedrunners to be much faster than using the cinematics for most bosses, with the only real exception being Raven Beak. If you're going for the fastest time possible, it's literally better off just getting hit by counterable moves than succeeding and fighting through the animation.
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Tropers.A Massive Overeditor removed the following in bold:
For the edit reason: "The reason why Samus didn't absorb raven beak/kraid, she loathed rave beak, she wanted to finish him off"
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Admittedly, I did put the edit rather quickly and didn't expand the reasoning, but I'll try to explain why I believe that this is less ambiguous than it may seem. Let's take Samus' emotions into a factor, she is notoriously stoic, her emotions tend to be muted, and her body language is the main indicator of how she feels in this game. The only times she really lets her emotions overtake her is when she's faced with Ridley in the Manga (And his seeming revival in Other M, which repeats this point), where she's hit with PTSD and is unable to act. The manga in particular has her react with fear, but when she overcomes her trauma and defeats Ridley for the first time, she lets out a triumphant bellow to let out her emotions after she thinks she killed him. Now let's take Raven Beak, who Samus has come to learn about as someone who has not only beaten her down in their first encounter, but has done heinous things like attempt to weaponize Metroids, tried to use Samus as nothing more than a tool, misled her while disguised as one of her allies, and was responsible for severing one of her last connections to the Chozo. That, on top of the fact that she lets out a loud, undeniably rage filled yell as she tries to absorb all of his life force with a furious expression (after facing him in another duel to the death), makes it plenty obvious that she isn't impartial to him like she is with Kraid, she actively wants his death, because she can tell she's draining him and she doesn't let him go. The fact that the X-Parasite beats her to the punch wouldn't diminish her feelings, and so killing him and his parasite, instead of making her (technical) parent a part of her body, makes sense if she wanted to finish him off.
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Everything you just said was a lengthy paragraph of Speculative Troping.
We don't trope based on connecting a bunch of dots and attempting to formulate hypoetheses about what happened. We trope what is actually, concretely in the work and if something is ambiguous, we leave it ambiguous.
I'm not sure this counts, given that in 2020 the Japanese script for Other M was directly translated into English, exposing a number of differences between the Japanese script and the English localization that players and critics were previously unaware of.
Apparently, In the Japanese version Samus saw to it that Madeline Bergman testified before the Galactic Federation parliament and the corrupt faction of the Galactic Federation Army was exposed and routed; which is supported by the Japanese script for Fusion, where ADAM notes that the BSL was co-opted by remnants of the corrupt faction of the former Galactic Federation Army... who were presumably consumed by the X Parasites, and even if they weren't Samus wiped out their bioweapons projects.
The English localizations removed these plot points for whatever reason, but TL;DR in the original Japanese versions the plot thread of the corrupt Galactic Federation faction was more-or-less resolved and thus there would be no reason for Metroid Dread to address it. Ergo, no Aborted Arc.
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Given that the game never reveals exactly when ADAM was being impersonated by Raven Beak, I think we need to be diligent on this page not to present every single thing ADAM says as being purposefully misleading or manipulative. Raven Beak could have begun impersonating ADAM at any point from the moment the player gains control to the last one or two conversations we have with him.
We simply do not know, and thus the entries have to also remain open to all possibilities until we gain more info.
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I've been re-watching the cutscenes, and the impression I got was that the last time Samus was in contact with the real ADAM — at least until she returns to her ship at the end of the game — was in the elevator, when ADAM tells her that they will have trouble staying in touch; and that all the "Uploading Data" cutscenes are actually Raven Beak: the "ADAM" she speaks to in the "Uploading Data" cutscenes only calls Samus by her name, never once says "Any objections, Lady?", and when unveiling himself as Raven Beak applauds Samus for "faithfully following [his] instructions so far."
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The issue is that it's all theory. We can try to "follow the clues" all we want, but in the end it'll remain Speculative Troping until some sort of definitive source explains the truth. Guesswork isn't going to cut it; for instance, in Fusion, ADAM only said "Any objections, Lady?" once as well: at the very end, to act as The Reveal. Also, what exactly were Raven Beak's instructions? From that statement, we don't know if it's referring to a specific set of orders or every single one of them.
By all means, we can state that it's possible that Raven Beak was impersonating ADAM as far back as her landing on ZDR. But we have to continue to treat is as possibility and not truth, because ultimately, we don't know.
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I doubt we're going to get outright clarification as to exactly when Raven Beak started impersonating ADAM so soon after the game's release — if at all, especially since that's an endgame twist.
And a lot of times creators will either intentionally leave story elements vague and expect the fans to figure things out for themselves, or consider things that the fans are unclear about to be so obvious from their perspective as to not need clarification. :(
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If we never get any clarification, then nothing changes. It will just forever be a topic we tread lightly on.
Is there confirmation that the EMMI units are based on Red Planet? Looking at them I do think the similarity is striking, but also it would be... frankly surprising if a Spanish dev team had even heard of a poorly received American Box Office Bomb from 2000.
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Yeah, it seems more like a coincidence than anything at this point.
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Okay, thanks. Posted in the Expy Cleanup Thread
but wanted to check here in case people had heard something more concrete.
I must admit, both visually and conceptually they are similar. And Metroid is known for pulling from Sci-Fi movies (like Aliens).
But to be an Expy we need less ambiguity, it has to be a deliberate reference. And right now we've got no evidence of that.
Yoshio Sakamoto is a fan of western sci-fi movies like Alien, I wouldn't be shocked if he watched Red Planet and was inspired by AMEE.
Also, Mercury Steam is a spanish dev team, not japanese.
Not arguing against the Expy entry's removal, but I felt the need to mention the dev team part.
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Bringing this up again since the game is out. Is there more concrete connections there? If so it should be fleshed out because... yeah.
In response to ^, there's a huge gulf between obscure movie Red Planet and juggernaut film franchise Alien.
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Are the repeated mentions of "the Treehouse" and "the E3 presentation" necessary? Seems like they date the trope entries, and they make the page very repetitive to read. But since the game is pre-release still, I wasn't sure about just removing them myself.
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As long as the game is pre-release, the source for the information has to be mentioned. If/when more trailers and gameplay demonstrations come out, the souces for the page's content can be diversified, but at this time all we have to go on is what was shown at E3 2021.
Well, that, and the details on the official site, but yeah. Not a lot to go on, so the sources need to be shown.
I removed the following because it's a misuse of the trope it's claiming to be, but since it might fit under something else I'm putting it here.
- Do Well, But Not Perfect: If you are trying to dreadfully cover ALL of the shaded areas in the game, you are going to waste a lot of valuable time because this is currently IMPOSSIBLE! It may seem like an accomplishment. However:
- In the southeastern area of Dairon next to the Artaria elevator, there is a bomb shaft area that leads you to the near beginning of the eastern area of the map close to the Cataris train. The problem? One square of the pipe area CANNOT be covered for unknown reasons and is likely a game bug. This is the only reason to make this not worth your time compared to reasons listed below.
- In Ferenia's eastern part of the map going for the Central Unit, the area where you slip through to get to that area is closed. If you did not cover the square areas, you can no longer go back, thus permanently missing those squares throughout the playthrough. Additionally, the exit from that area closes the bomb pipe as well. Thankfully, this does not count as Permanently Missable Content as covering squares is not required for 100% Completion.
- Completing the game does not save your map coverage from your last save point. Itorash and Hanubia have areas to cover past the Point of No Return. In Itorash, you have to cover the entire final boss area, which is doable. Upon defeating the final boss, you crash land in Hanubia with only 3:00 minutes to escape to your gunship. With that much time, this might be possible to do, but barely. Last but not least, once you are close to the area where your gunship is, it initiates the final cutscene and ending, thus avoiding you from covering the large area where your gunship is. When you reload your save file, the new areas discovered are not saved.
- When trying to finish with the fastest time, it's actually in the players' best interests to avoid deflecting a boss's attack with a counter if that counter leads into a cutscene fight. Assuming the player is good enough at aiming and mashing their attacks, fighting the boss normally will typically allow them to deal more damage and defeat the boss much quicker, even if it means getting hit by a counterable attack.
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