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06:56:58 AM Aug 20th 2014
There is an entry for Just Eat Gilligan that says "At one point, Q hints that Voyager would get home a lot quicker if its captain formed a baby with him. As a feminist icon, Janeway rightly refuses to use her body as a bargaining chip. But in later episodes, so much emphasis was placed on how much she's willing to sacrifice to get her crew home that fans couldn't help but wonder why she didn't just boff the jerk."

Then, someone replied: "Just screwing Q is one thing, and if was just that, Janeway would have likely done it, but having a child with him this way is something else entirely. Even Scifi Debris points this out, and this is the guy who consistently goes out of his way to paint Janeway as a Villain Protagonist."

The second part was removed, as "natter". Still, it does have a point. The trope happens if characters ignore a really simple and trivial solution; and as it was pointed, the proposed solution is anything but trivial. It is correct that there should be no natter, but I think that the entry should be completely removed.
07:35:33 AM Aug 20th 2014
That natter does not give me a good explanation as to why that wouldn't work. So I am averse to remove the entry.
03:10:17 AM Nov 25th 2013
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I've been thinking a lot about the whole 'two' voyagers and the theory that Harry kim is the only one that survived written in the 'death is cheap' bit. I'm afraid it doesn't really work and I'll try to explain:

Lets assume there really are two universes and not copies (debated I know, but this is the premise of the star trek book 'echoes'- a great read BTW, and is also required for this debate to work.)

No matter what the result, Harry Kim is 'non-native' to that universe as he is the only one that travelled as well as Naomi. So far from being the only one who made it home, he is the only one who can NEVER make it home. Everyone else, is still 'native' to their universe and made it home.

I've not changed anything because I don't really have the heart to. The world is very cruel to Harry.

... sorry Harry. (and Naomi)
04:03:08 PM Aug 25th 2013
While trying to remain fair and unbiased, I have made several edits to parts of this article related to characters' personalities and development. It's debatable over how *well* the show handled these things. However, to say that there was no character development at all, or that it only went to Janeway, Seven and the Doctor, is downright inaccurate and unfair. It makes it seem like it was written by someone who either rarely watched the show, or who was so upset with it that they wrote with an extremely negative slant. I really hope this doesn't lead to an edit war, but I really felt like these changes had to be made.
06:31:18 PM Jan 12th 2013
I've been looking around, I can't seem to find anything that indicates that "iso-" is a unit of measurement of any kind.
06:33:25 PM Jan 12th 2013
Unfortunately, "iso-" is an actual metric prefix that means 10^0. Anything to the power 0 is 1, so the Borg's vaunted multi-kinetic neutronic mine with a 5 million isoton yield ("Scorpion, Part II") actually produces 5 megatons. Dangerous, sure, but nowhere near enough to destroy a star system.
06:23:12 PM Jan 12th 2013
I moved "Trope based episodes" beneath the Tropes to save us all a lot of trouble editing, because people keep putting individual tropes in there.
04:05:00 PM Dec 7th 2012
edited by lrrose
My edit reasons for my cleaning up the Voyager pages:

From How to Create a Works Page:

Write a brief description At the top of the page, write up a short description of the work. Good things to include: the name of the work's creator(s), the year it was first published, the genre and medium(s), a brief and spoiler-free overview of the plot, and a link to the official website. Things not to include: quality judgements (don't say how much it sucked/how awesome it was), critical reception (that's just a specific variant of quality judgements), recommendations (don't tell us whether or not we should check it out), plot spoilers. And whatever you do, do not copy text from the Wikipedia page. That is Plagiarism and it is bad.

Half of the Voyager page description is quality judgements.

Removed link to crowner since we don't have those anymore.

"Endgame" was listed as an episode where Xanatos Gambit was used but didn't give any context.

The episode where Harry Kim dies and the Harry Kim from a duplicate Voyager takes over is not an example of All The Myraid Ways, as no alternate universes are involved.

I feel for Ayala's actor, but Ascended Extra is not ubiquitous enough for aversions to be listed.

Done for now, up to Attack Pattern Alpha.
02:01:53 AM Apr 16th 2013
Okay, whatever the problems the old page had, this just isn't good. The opening paragraphs aren't very interesting or tells us much about the show, and it looks totally out of place compared to the entries for the other ST shows. I'd sincerely request that we change it back to the way it was Before.
11:00:46 PM Jun 10th 2012
If Voyager was so god-awfully horrible, explain why it lasted seven seasons? Then, take into consideration that the original series only lasted 3.
04:15:49 PM Aug 25th 2013
"Voyager" was a show that could have gone in any number of directions. As a result, it couldn't please everybody. There were things that could have been done better, sure. But I'm with you; the show was good enough that it lasted it's planned seven-year run (unlike "Enterprise" after it). I've tried to clean up the parts of the article that seemed more like Voyager-bashing than actual information.
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