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06:03:55 PM Jun 27th 2015
edited by MeerkatMario
So there are still some Western Animation shows that didn't make it on the list. I just added Wunschpunsch to the list since it wasn't there before, but there are a few shows I know that don't even have TV Tropes pages, such as Turtle Island, Mr. Baby, Turbo F.A.S.T. and The Frog Show. Does anyone have the ability to make TV Tropes pages for both?
07:45:07 PM Jan 15th 2014
I accidentally redirected a empty new trope page for Turbo Fast so it would go to the Western Animation/Turbo page but it ended up here. Can someone please redirect it to the film's page?
08:49:31 PM Jan 15th 2014

For future reference, you have to put single word work or trope titles in curly brackets like this: Western Animation/{{ Turbo }}.
12:01:56 PM Dec 27th 2011
The Western Animation namespace makes me feel confused. Would itbe redundant for "X: The Animated Series" to be listed as "Western Animation: X The Animated Series"? Or should t stay on the main namespace, like Star Wars?
08:36:59 AM Dec 10th 2011
edited by Noah1
In case anyone is wondering, I am the one who captioned the Western Animation page. I issued it as a challenge to more experienced Tropers than I to add a footnote listing all the characters seen in the image in a similar matter to the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic Character Page. I would do it, but I feel that another Troper could do it better. Will anyone step up to the challenge? If you want, you can alter the main caption if you feel it needs improvement.
09:47:14 AM Oct 15th 2011
You know, both the American Dad and the Robot Chicken entries currently have more DMOS moments mentioned than Total Drama Island, and My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic has about the exact equal amount itself as of this writing. I don't know about you, but I think all of them should have their own DMOS pages, or at least American Dad and Robot Chicken. What do you guys think?
08:21:10 AM Dec 10th 2011
edited by Noah1
Taken care of. American Dad!, Robot Chicken, and My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic have their own DMOS pages. I'm not the one who split them off, though.
11:43:09 AM Oct 10th 2011
edited by SamMax
From the So Bad it's Horrible page:

"What do you get when you try to make a CGI-animated movie to cash in on a toyline that was never popular? Freaky Flickers: The Movie, of course! The official Freaky Flickers website boasts that they are "all the rage with children in test markets" and that the movie was animated entirely by one person. Yes, they're bragging about that."

Umm... that doesn't say a danged thing about the film itself. Maybe the link on the main page would show the film, but could you at least set up a description so that those poor souls know what to expect? I decided NOT to watch the film, but I might get around to it...
04:24:13 PM Oct 8th 2011
Re: Adventure Time

No. I'm sorry. You can't just do that. This entire interpretation reeks of bad logic. This is in the same category as the ridiculous assertions that Ash Ketchum is in a comma, or that Calvin (of Calvin and Hobbes) is actually terminally ill and trying to cope with his impending death. Can it be refuted? Not decisively. But claiming that as sufficient for the argument's validity is a nauseating species of schoolyard rhetoric. Unfortunately for the people who put these ideas forward, the onus is on he who asserts. The 'Adventure Time thesis' is, like those regarding Ash and Calvin, undefensible.

The central argument underlying the whole notion that Finn is imagining most of the series is a snippet of Word of God from Pen himself: The Land of Ooo is on a post-apocalyptic Earth. Sure enough, it's riddled with blasted out structures, disused bombs and various other gruesome relics of a destroyed humanity. In "Susan Strong," it is revealed that Finn might be the last surviving human. So be it. These are all things we can gather just by watching the show, and with a little nudge from its creator. I've also seen it posited that the denizens of Ooo are all mutants. These suppositions are a little harder to take seriously, because Ooo also has magicians.

This is where, if anywhere, we might see room for the whole series to be in Finn's mind. We all know that magic isn't real, right? Maybe all the stretching dogs and bolts of ice are in Finn's imagination. There is no such thing as magic on Earth, and Adventure Time is set on Earth. Then again, so is Harry Potter, in a much more concrete way. This is fiction.

But the "Adventure Time thesis" doesn't even argue that way. What's suggested is that, in a Sucker Punch-esque form of escapism, Finn hides in his mind to isolate himself from the horrors of his world. (Incidentally, this happens in-series in Power Animal. Is that imagination within imagination?) Yet he apparently does a pretty bad job, as we still see "destroyed or submerged buildings, half-buried and wrecked cars, Broken televisions, abandoned military equipment, and ... a river of trash." Finn battles terrifying Liches, is abducted by evil gnomes and false guardian angels, and faces literal walls of flesh. What basis have we to suppose that these already traumatic encounters are actually - to use the poster's term - "euphemisms" for something more horrifying? What do they propose that would be? They don't.

Here's my favourite part: "Word Of God states that this isn't the eventual revelation of the series... while throwing in sounds of Finn screaming and machine-gun-fire over a freezeframe." So he was speaking truly about the whole apocalypse thing, but lied about Finn not imagining any of it? What basis is this distinction drawn on? What is the relationship between the aforementioned freezeframe and Finn's imagination? I looked into this particular scene: it comes at the end of "The Enchiridion". No one nearby has a gun, nor do I have reason to suspect anyone would, nor am I even confident that the scream is in Finn's voice (I've seen it elsewhere ascribed to the Ice King, but all the other noise makes it hard to tell). Furthermore, the original (censored) title card of the same episode shows Finn about to stab Jake. Am I supposed to read that into the story as well? I hardly think so. It seems to me that the creators were just having fun. Why would I treat an end-of-episode freezeframe any differently? Why should I take it, more importantly, to refute Word of God? This "school of thought" is self-contradictory.

Of course, 'it's just a theory.' The troper even acknowledges this in his conclusion: "Is [Finn] suffering from radiation-poisoning and starvation-induced hallucinations, and repainting his life as a coping mechanism, or is it all true with the context of the story? Who knows." This ending hardly inspires confidence. It uses the same intuition-pumping questioning as "documentaries" on Nessie and newsreels about Bigfoot.

I'll concede: ALL alternative character interpretations are theoretical. But this is a bad theory. The premises are flimsy and contradictory; The logic is lacking, if it can even be claimed to exist; The conclusion is absurd. The 'thesis' stinks of invalidity from beginning to end. It's not well grounded in in-series evidence like some of the other entries on the page. (See the AC Is of Meg Griffin or Invader Zim, for example). You don't even need excessive, persuasive, conclusive evidence to put forward an idea like this (though it certainly helps), but this one is less theory and more guessing. Even the creator has gone on record and disagreed!

tl;dr: The Adventure Time ACI is ridiculous, let's get rid of it.
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