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SomeRandomBastard
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08:04:53 AM Apr 15th 2014
Self-awareness and metafiction don't equal post-modernism. This article talks about post-modernism as an artistic movement and then just discards all that and says "but here it's about metafiction". Why not just make a "metafiction" trope instead? I think this is in serious need of a clean-up and rework.
Marowmerowmer
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09:52:13 AM Dec 22nd 2012
The music section is filled with Metafictional music. Postmodernism is not limited to metafiction: the music section should have more examples like Talking Heads, David Bowie, and John Cage.
MarqFJA
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12:26:59 PM Jan 19th 2012
So... What the heck does Post Modernism mean as a trope?
Marowmerowmer
09:53:46 AM Dec 22nd 2012
Exactly.
aeiou
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06:14:12 AM May 26th 2011
Post modern is not limited to mere self-references. It can be a work jumping from genre to genre, bun not taking any of those genres quite seriously, or defying the existence of objective truth by creating multiple objective truthes, or a work that plays with viewers' expectations, or many other things. I think it's worth to create a category of postmodern tropes (or perhaps Sliding Scale Of Modernism Versus Postmodernism).
68.183.105.71
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11:28:18 PM Sep 12th 2010
Neon Genesis? I know this'll start a fanfight, but I don't think Neon Genesis is a fitting example. Really, it's too easily explained as a modernist psychological allegory. Joyce is modernist - just because something is complex, confusing mindscrew does not make it postmodern, and, as Thomas Khun pointed out, modernists deconstruct - they simply suggest something to replace what they've deconstructed. The deconstruction of the form doesn't make Neon Genesis postmodern - just as the deconstruction of the epic doesn't make Ulysses postmodern. It is the deconstruction of the art form itself, and its attendant simacrula, that would cause that translation.
mmysqueeant
03:55:38 PM Nov 26th 2010
^ agreed to an extent. Not sure why this whole trope is under the "Nineties" index either.

A Mind Screw for the sake of a Mind Screw is not Postmodernism, even slightly, as you say. It might fit under Dadaism.

Postmodernism has to embrace many ideas. It's a broad movement, as Modernism was. The fact that this page doesn't even mention hyper-realism (in the sense Baudrillard used it, not in the sense of "photo-realism, but more so") is a bit of a clue that tvtropes shouldn't be used as a serious resource for this kind of thing.

As should what looks suspiciously like a glib joke at Theodor Adorno's expense. Oh dear. Oh, this site, sometimes...
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