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13th Oct '17 8:33:13 PM OG-Sama
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* Marshall [=McLuhan=], Canadian philosopher, sociologist, and the father of media studies, may well have been a living TropeCodifier for [=Post Modernism=]. Aside from coining the phrase "The Global Village", he also had a lot of really ''out there'' theories. He stated that "The Medium is the message, and therefore the content is the audience". He believed that [[MakesSenseInContext light bulbs were an information medium]], and proclaimed "I refuse to appear on television, except on television" meaning that, if interviewed, he'd never set foot in a TV Studio himself, but rather talk through a TV screen. One can only imagine what he'd think of Wiki/TVTropes... We know [[NewMediaAreEvil exactly what he thought of the internet.]] Remember, the term "global village" was an insult.

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* Marshall [=McLuhan=], Canadian philosopher, sociologist, and the father of media studies, may well have been a living TropeCodifier for [=Post Modernism=]. Aside from coining the phrase "The Global Village", he also had a lot of really ''out there'' theories. He stated that "The Medium is the message, and therefore the content is the audience". He believed that [[MakesSenseInContext light bulbs were an information medium]], and proclaimed "I refuse to appear on television, except on television" meaning that, if interviewed, he'd never set foot in a TV Studio himself, but rather talk through a TV screen. One can only imagine what he'd think of Wiki/TVTropes... We know [[NewMediaAreEvil exactly what he thought of the internet.]] Remember, the term "global village" was an insult.insult and we're very seldom beyond sophomore-level here.


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* On a more serious note, the period following the end of World War 2 up until the present day is generally called postmodernity in literary and historical analysis, marked by the shift in societal attitude and pervasion of mass media which was the impetus for the codification of the philosophy. There is significant debate in certain circles about whether postmodernity has ended, when it ended, how to name and characterise its successor if it has, and even whether postmodernism's construction makes its end a possibility. Not because the philosophy 'solved' reality or anything so egotistical, but because a far greater shift than previous would be needed to make irrelevant its core tenets and codification.
13th Oct '17 8:22:59 PM OG-Sama
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[=Post Modernism=] is also a popular school of thought in the social sciences and humanities, largely revolving around the idea that a cogent argument doesn't necessarily have to make points that are actually true, while arguments that may "''technically''" be true in some sense are not necessarily either convincing or valuable. In academic disciplines, the biggest impact that Postmodernism introduced was to sever the idea of history, society, or existence, being linear and progressive (i.e. the world is going to get better and better) and that led to the popularity of AlternateHistory and ForWantOfANail not only in speculative fiction but also in serious works of non-fiction where people showed that a lot of things people saw in history wasn't inevitable but in large part accidental or came down to pure dumb luck. Postmodernist theorists by extended research also pointed out how the idea of society going somewhere was NewerThanTheyThink, based on EntertaininglyWrong assumptions that have become DatedHistory (a strain that is called Historicism or New Historicism). Contingency and agency became watchwords in post-modernist inspired works. Post-modernist inspired accounts insist that life is in large sense a RandomEventsPlot and much of what we consider the "pursuit of knowledge" is a narrative that distracts us from realizing that, drawing inspiration from UsefulNotes/{{Existentialism}}[[note]]But differing in that existentialists insist on agency to choose and engage actively with one's ideas and views, i.e. if "the pursuit of knowledge" is not inherent in society, then it is up to humans to actively make a society that promotes knowledge knowing fully well the limitations of that choice. Postmodernism generally doesn't advocate engagement, which has led many to accuse it for promoting nihilism[[/note]].

In general practice however, a lot of the serious and intellectual character of the movement tends to be too obscure or [[AndIMustScream too bleak]] to register. [=Post Modernism=], whether in fiction or in the theoretical sense of textual criticism, can most often simply be about [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotDidactic spoiling everything for everyone]] without having to adopt any unspoiled or easily spoilable ideas of your own, which is also what produces the "Huh?" factor in postmodern texts (books, films, shows, art, etc.) -- they treat themselves as already didactic and spoiled, and instead attempt to generate enjoyment through the [[TropesAreTools adroitness of their use of their own tropes and medium]]. WorldOfSymbolism tends to come up, even when it's not necessarily obvious, so best try to have fun when EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory. In such instances, postmodernism becomes a posture, using [[DudeNotIronic irony as a defense]], an attempt to dodge responsibility and more or less advocate preserving the status-quo from the comfort of learned and knowing distance. This is considered the conservative strain of postmodernism which allows it to be co-opted and adopted in a number of consumerist media. The contemporary definition of [=Post Modernism=] is extremely ambiguous, and some of the definitions are extremely metaphysical, so don't go out into the world thinking this article is all there is to the concept. That the very term "Post-modern" is inherently self-contradictory is freely acknowledged -- indeed celebrated -- within [=Post Modernism=] itself.

Not to be confused with {{Irony}}, ''per se'', although both terms have been frequently [[IsntItIronic misused as such]] since TheNineties. Interestingly, the DeathOfTheAuthor is a {{Criticism Trope|s}} that both groups can [[EnemyMine often agree on]]. Modernists can claim it's possible to come to a {{canon}}ical conclusion about the text regardless of the author's [[WordOfGod changing opinions]], whereas postmodernists can claim that ''[[ShrugOfGod "there is nothing outside the text"]]'' and that [[LostInTransmission their opinion of]] what the ''author was trying to say'' is equally likely to be true as [[FanonDiscontinuity their opinion of]] what the work itself states. [[MindScrew Confused?]]. A.K.A. [=PoMo=]. Compare UsefulNotes/{{Dada}}. See also AffectionateParody and SurrealHumor. May sometimes border onto TrueArtIsIncomprehensible territory. Related to MediumAwareness, BreakingTheFourthWall, NoFourthWall, FictionIdentityPostulate (which states that all fictions are equally fictional). Compare RecursiveCanon, HeavyMeta, FootnoteFever, JustForFun/FoRK.

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[=Post Modernism=] is also a popular school of thought in the social sciences and humanities, largely revolving around the idea that a cogent argument doesn't necessarily have to make points that are actually true, while arguments that may "''technically''" be true in some sense are not necessarily either convincing or valuable. In academic disciplines, the biggest impact that Postmodernism introduced was to sever the idea of history, society, or existence, being linear and progressive (i.e. the world is going to get better and better) and that led to the popularity of AlternateHistory and ForWantOfANail not only in speculative fiction but also in serious works of non-fiction where people showed that a lot of things people saw in history wasn't inevitable but in large part accidental or came down to pure dumb luck. Postmodernist theorists by extended research also pointed out how the idea of society going somewhere was NewerThanTheyThink, based on EntertaininglyWrong assumptions that have become DatedHistory (a strain that is called Historicism or New Historicism). Contingency and agency became watchwords in post-modernist inspired works. Post-modernist inspired accounts insist that life is in large sense a RandomEventsPlot and much of what we consider the "pursuit of knowledge" is a narrative that distracts us from realizing that, drawing inspiration from UsefulNotes/{{Existentialism}}[[note]]But differing in that existentialists insist on agency to choose and engage actively with one's ideas and views, i.e. if "the pursuit of knowledge" is not inherent in society, then it is up to humans to actively make a society that promotes knowledge knowing fully well the limitations of that choice. Postmodernism generally doesn't advocate engagement, which has led many the kind of people who care about such things to accuse it for of promoting nihilism[[/note]].

In general practice however, a lot of the serious and intellectual character of the movement tends to be too obscure or [[AndIMustScream too bleak]] to register. register outside an impartial academic course. [=Post Modernism=], whether Modernism=] in certain works of fiction or in the theoretical sense of textual criticism, can most often simply be about [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotDidactic spoiling everything for everyone]] without having to adopt any unspoiled or easily spoilable ideas of your own, which is also what produces contributes greatly to the "Huh?" factor in postmodern texts (books, films, shows, art, etc.) -- they treat themselves as already didactic and spoiled, and instead attempt to generate enjoyment through the [[TropesAreTools adroitness of their use of their own tropes and medium]]. WorldOfSymbolism tends to come up, even when it's not necessarily obvious, so best try to have fun when EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory. In the extremes of such instances, postmodernism becomes a posture, using [[DudeNotIronic irony as a defense]], an attempt to dodge responsibility and more or less advocate preserving the status-quo from the comfort of learned and knowing distance. This is considered the conservative strain of postmodernism which allows it to be co-opted and adopted in a number of consumerist media. The contemporary definition of [=Post Modernism=] is extremely ambiguous, and some of the definitions are extremely metaphysical, so don't go out into the world thinking this article is all there is to the concept. That the very term "Post-modern" is inherently self-contradictory is freely acknowledged -- indeed celebrated -- within [=Post Modernism=] itself.

Not to be confused with {{Irony}}, ''per se'', although both terms have been frequently [[IsntItIronic misused as such]] since TheNineties. Interestingly, the DeathOfTheAuthor is a {{Criticism Trope|s}} that both groups can [[EnemyMine often agree on]]. Modernists can claim it's possible to come to a {{canon}}ical conclusion about the text regardless of the author's [[WordOfGod changing opinions]], whereas postmodernists can claim that ''[[ShrugOfGod "there is nothing outside the text"]]'' and that [[LostInTransmission their opinion of]] what the ''author was trying to say'' is equally likely to be true as [[FanonDiscontinuity their opinion of]] what the work itself states. [[MindScrew Confused?]]. A.K.A. [=PoMo=]. Compare UsefulNotes/{{Dada}}. See also AffectionateParody and SurrealHumor. May sometimes border onto TrueArtIsIncomprehensible territory. Related heavily to MediumAwareness, BreakingTheFourthWall, NoFourthWall, FictionIdentityPostulate (which states that all fictions are equally fictional). Compare RecursiveCanon, HeavyMeta, FootnoteFever, JustForFun/FoRK.
11th Oct '17 9:30:11 AM Malady
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Not to be confused with {{Irony}}, ''per se'', although both terms have been frequently [[IsntItIronic misused as such]] since TheNineties. Interestingly, the DeathOfTheAuthor is a {{Criticism Trope|s}} that both groups can [[EnemyMine often agree on]]. Modernists can claim it's possible to come to a {{canon}}ical conclusion about the text regardless of the author's [[WordOfGod changing opinions]], whereas postmodernists can claim that ''[[ShrugOfGod "there is nothing outside the text"]]'' and that [[LostInTransmission their opinion of]] what the ''author was trying to say'' is equally likely to be true as [[FanonDiscontinuity their opinion of]] what the work itself states. [[MindScrew Confused?]]. A.K.A. [=PoMo=]. Compare UsefulNotes/{{Dada}}. See also AffectionateParody and SurrealHumor. May sometimes border onto TrueArtIsIncomprehensible territory. Related to MediumAwareness, BreakingTheFourthWall, NoFourthWall, FictionIdentityPostulate (which states that all fictions are equally fictional). Compare RecursiveCanon, HeavyMeta, FootnoteFever, FoRK.

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Not to be confused with {{Irony}}, ''per se'', although both terms have been frequently [[IsntItIronic misused as such]] since TheNineties. Interestingly, the DeathOfTheAuthor is a {{Criticism Trope|s}} that both groups can [[EnemyMine often agree on]]. Modernists can claim it's possible to come to a {{canon}}ical conclusion about the text regardless of the author's [[WordOfGod changing opinions]], whereas postmodernists can claim that ''[[ShrugOfGod "there is nothing outside the text"]]'' and that [[LostInTransmission their opinion of]] what the ''author was trying to say'' is equally likely to be true as [[FanonDiscontinuity their opinion of]] what the work itself states. [[MindScrew Confused?]]. A.K.A. [=PoMo=]. Compare UsefulNotes/{{Dada}}. See also AffectionateParody and SurrealHumor. May sometimes border onto TrueArtIsIncomprehensible territory. Related to MediumAwareness, BreakingTheFourthWall, NoFourthWall, FictionIdentityPostulate (which states that all fictions are equally fictional). Compare RecursiveCanon, HeavyMeta, FootnoteFever, FoRK.
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15th Sep '17 3:03:07 PM Jappus
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* The "Not Officially Sabrina Online Construction Set," or NOSOCS a parody freely editable by anyone of the FurryComic ''WebComic/SabrinaOnline'', postmodern to begin with, took a turn for the ridiculously postmodern during 2008, and actually managed to be fairly consistently clever.

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* The "Not Officially Sabrina Online Construction Set," or NOSOCS Set" (or NOSOCS), a parody freely editable by anyone of the FurryComic ''WebComic/SabrinaOnline'', postmodern to begin with, took a turn for the ridiculously postmodern during 2008, and actually managed to be fairly consistently clever.
15th Sep '17 3:02:30 PM Jappus
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* The "Not Officially Sabrina Online Construction Set," or [[http://crushyiffdestroy.com/nosocs/ NOSOCS]] a parody freely editable by anyone of the FurryComic ''WebComic/SabrinaOnline'', postmodern to begin with, took a turn for the ridiculously postmodern during 2008, and actually manages to be fairly consistently clever. [[http://crushyiffdestroy.com/nosocs/index.php?action=display&strip_ident=1062 Start around here. It just gets weirder as time goes by.]]

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* The "Not Officially Sabrina Online Construction Set," or [[http://crushyiffdestroy.com/nosocs/ NOSOCS]] NOSOCS a parody freely editable by anyone of the FurryComic ''WebComic/SabrinaOnline'', postmodern to begin with, took a turn for the ridiculously postmodern during 2008, and actually manages managed to be fairly consistently clever. [[http://crushyiffdestroy.com/nosocs/index.php?action=display&strip_ident=1062 Start around here. It clever.
** Sadly, most traces of it have vanished from the Internet and old links
just gets weirder as time goes by.]]lead to advertisement and malware traps.
10th Sep '17 8:58:42 PM Bartzv
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* ''Literature/TheTrueStoryOfTheThreeLittlePigs'' along with ''Literature/TheStinkyCheeseMan'' (both by the writer/illustrator duo of Jon Scieszka and Lane Smith) were arguably two of the first postmodernist picture books. The former is a FracturedFairyTale that has the Big Bad Wolf recount the story of the ''Literature/TheThreeLittlePigs'' from his perspective while the latter is a collection of Fractured Fairy Tales presented as a NoFourthWall production that's plagued with [[TheShowMustGoWrong constant problems]].

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* ''Literature/TheTrueStoryOfTheThreeLittlePigs'' along with ''Literature/TheStinkyCheeseMan'' ''Literature/TheStinkyCheeseMan And Other Fairly Stupid Tales'' (both by the writer/illustrator duo of Jon Scieszka and Lane Smith) were arguably two of the first postmodernist picture books. The former is a FracturedFairyTale that has the Big Bad Wolf recount the story of the ''Literature/TheThreeLittlePigs'' from his perspective while the latter is a collection of Fractured Fairy Tales presented as a NoFourthWall production that's plagued with [[TheShowMustGoWrong constant problems]].
10th Sep '17 8:40:52 PM Bartzv
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* ''Literature/TheTrueStoryOfTheThreeLittlePigs'' along with ''Literature/TheStinkyCheeseMan'' (both by the writer/illustrator duo of Jon Scieszka and Lane Smith) were arguably two of the first postmodernist picture books. The former is a FracturedFairyTale that has the Big Bad Wolf recount the story of the ''Literature/TheThreeLittlePigs'' from his perspective while the latter is a collection of Fractured Fairy Tales presented as a production that's plagued with [[TheShowMustGoWrong constant problems]] and has NoFourthWall.

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* ''Literature/TheTrueStoryOfTheThreeLittlePigs'' along with ''Literature/TheStinkyCheeseMan'' (both by the writer/illustrator duo of Jon Scieszka and Lane Smith) were arguably two of the first postmodernist picture books. The former is a FracturedFairyTale that has the Big Bad Wolf recount the story of the ''Literature/TheThreeLittlePigs'' from his perspective while the latter is a collection of Fractured Fairy Tales presented as a NoFourthWall production that's plagued with [[TheShowMustGoWrong constant problems]] and has NoFourthWall.problems]].
10th Sep '17 3:07:41 PM Bartzv
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* ''Literature/TheTrueStoryOfTheThreeLittlePigs'' along with ''Literature/TheStinkyCheeseMan'' (both by the writer/illustrator duo of Jon Scieszka and Lane Smith) were arguably two of the first postmodernist picture books. The former is a FracturedFairyTale that presents the story of ''Literature/TheThreeLittlePigs'' from the perspective of the Big Bad Wolf while the latter is a collection of Fractured Fairy Tales presented as a production that's plagued with [[TheShowMustGoWrong constant problems]] and has NoFourthWall.

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* ''Literature/TheTrueStoryOfTheThreeLittlePigs'' along with ''Literature/TheStinkyCheeseMan'' (both by the writer/illustrator duo of Jon Scieszka and Lane Smith) were arguably two of the first postmodernist picture books. The former is a FracturedFairyTale that presents has the Big Bad Wolf recount the story of the ''Literature/TheThreeLittlePigs'' from the his perspective of the Big Bad Wolf while the latter is a collection of Fractured Fairy Tales presented as a production that's plagued with [[TheShowMustGoWrong constant problems]] and has NoFourthWall.
10th Sep '17 12:11:06 PM Bartzv
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* ''Literature/TheTrueStoryOfTheThreeLittlePigs'' along with ''Literature/TheStinkyCheeseMan'' (both by the writer/illustrator duo of Jon Scieszka and Lane Smith) were arguably two of the first postmodernist picture books. The former is a FracturedFairyTale that presents the story of ''Literature/TheThreeLittlePigs'' from the perspective of the Big Bad Wolf while the latter is a collection of Fractured Fairy Tales presented as a production that's plagued with [[TheShowMustGoWrong constant problems]] and has NoFourthWall.
7th Sep '17 11:37:01 AM CosmicFerret
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* The origin of the Silver Age version of TheFlash has Barry Allen naming himself after his favorite comic book character upon gaining his powers, which just so happened to be the Golden Age Flash, Jay Garrick. This was some 30 years before ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'', and as such, the Silver Age comics and Golden Age comics existed in different universes.

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* The origin of the Silver Age version of TheFlash ComicBook/TheFlash has Barry Allen naming himself after his favorite comic book character upon gaining his powers, which just so happened to be the Golden Age Flash, Jay Garrick. This was some 30 years before ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'', and as such, the Silver Age comics and Golden Age comics existed in different universes.
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