Main Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain Discussion

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10:08:16 AM Aug 19th 2012
Shouldn't we delete the "Real Life" folder for this page, since we usually discourage Real Life examples on Villain tropes?
09:18:30 AM Aug 20th 2012
07:09:12 AM Aug 27th 2012
edited by Craver357
Sorry about the accidental double post of my comments.
07:09:13 AM Aug 27th 2012
Exactly what is wrong with Real Life examples for this trope? Does it glorify sympathy for bad people in a way that it makes it too controversial?
11:43:40 AM Aug 27th 2012
No, it calls real life people villains. Bad idea, my friend.
06:41:54 PM Oct 30th 2011
Dick Dastardly is actually quite effective in his own way. It's true that he was regularly defeated by a pigeon, but at the same time, Vulture Squadron apparently succeeded in continuing to fight World War One for over 50 years after it ended, on the side which had already lost (since Yankee Doodle Pigeon is obviously American, I assume DD must have been in the pay of Kaiser Bill).

More to the point, his official in-house biography states that he is currently the dictator (or should that be Dicktator?) of Dickaragua. As the unelected but seemingly permanent ruler of his own country, this puts him on a par with Dr. Doom (in fact, ahead of him, since at least he has never lost a fight with Squirrel Girl), and with several real-life supervillains against whom American military intervention was allegedly not only justified but unavoidable! So DD is basically Saddam Hussein with a better gag-writer, and less dead. I wouldn't call that "ineffectual", would you?
09:59:25 PM Jul 23rd 2011
I think Chess from The Cape (a TV series) should be added to the list of examples. In the first episode he was a total badass, but from the 2nd on, the audience never got to see him in his costume again and he became all emo FOR NO APPARENT REASON.
10:00:42 PM Jul 23rd 2011
That is not this trope. You are probably looking for Badass Decay.
02:33:00 PM Sep 21st 2011
Coudn't we change the name of this trope to 'the doof'?

Heinz Doofenshmirtz is pretty much this trope best poster boy this trope has had in years.

or not?
06:08:07 PM Sep 21st 2011
Lately the site has been moving away from trope names that come from specific characters in favor of names that can be understood by anyone. So I don't think it's likely to be renamed.
08:01:36 AM Apr 15th 2011
Should we change the quote? Eridan is now neither ineffectual nor sympathetic.
06:51:19 PM Aug 17th 2011
Especially since tools aren't really sympathetic. A tool is pretty much the same thing as a douche, with a bit of loser thrown in.
05:57:23 PM Oct 9th 2011
Meh, I`ve since replaced it with a more fitting MLP quote that pretty much sums up the theme of the trope anyway. (Funny thing is, that was before stumbling on this discussion page.)

You can look it up in the page history if you like.
10:48:00 AM Dec 26th 2011
Spike from MLP:Fi M is not a villain. His actions are fueled by envy, his objective is petty and it's one time only. While he acts like a villain a second time in another episode, he is considerably effective.

I believe there must be a better example.
05:49:37 PM Jan 31st 2011
...You know, the Carpenter image is genius. It's funny how I not only knew that image beforehand, that's actually one of my favorite Batman comics of all time. I should have thought to suggest is previously.
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