Literature Cold Days Discussion

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11:17:30 AM Aug 28th 2013
At one point, Harry uses the phrase "can't swing a dead cat without hitting ____" in the narration. Half a page later, he asks Thomas where that phrase came from. Is there a trope for this? For a First-Person Perspective narrator expecting a character to keep up with their narration / Inner Monologue? It's not quite Narrating the Present. Maybe he expects to be an Interactive Narrator but fails?
10:04:53 AM May 23rd 2013
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Discar, Taking the Bullying a Dragon issue here.

In chapter 20 page 196 of the hardcover edition, After Harry blows out the bugs in Thomas' apartment, he tells Thomas he "wanted Lara's people to know who [he] contacted. When they try to follow up on it, they'll betray their presence and he'll be alerted to how they operate" (196).

On the next page, Thomas realizes this was a payment to Odin for the meeting, at Lara's expense. Though Harry calls it a "friendly gesture" the fact is he tricked Lara's people, and by extension Lara herself, into antagonizing Odin, even though someone like Lara should know very well who Odin is.

So, if

  • Bullying a Dragon: Harry tricks Lara Raith into following a powerful person he made contact with in Bluff the Eavesdropper. This is a "dragon" because the person tracked is known to Lara and an extremely dangerous person at that. And she will still send the team anyway.

is poorly worded, would,

  • Bullying a Dragon: Harry tricks Lara Raith into following Odin as described in Bluff the Eavesdropper. This is a "dragon" because the person tracked is known to Lara and an extremely dangerous person at that. And she will still send the team anyway.

be better?
04:03:19 AM Feb 27th 2013
In the scene after Harry's birthday bash, he and Sarissa are talking. Sarissa briefly mentions she has a sister who suffers from a form of "genetic dementia."

I am unclear if this is a Chekhov's Gun or Foreshadowing. Or both, if possible.
04:04:29 AM Feb 27th 2013
Nevermind, I just read a bit more on the Foreshadowing page.
10:34:35 AM Jan 9th 2013
Could it be argued Titania held the Idiot Ball for not telling Lily about Demonreach? Had she told her Lady the purpose of the island, Lily would never had believed Maeve and worked with her.
11:06:10 AM Dec 28th 2012
Curious, where is all this "Odin is Kringle" ideas coming from besides supposition? Is there canon information to back them up?
11:17:40 AM Dec 28th 2012
Right at the end of the book, Harry talks with Kringle and as he's leaving, Kringle kind of turns into Odin for a moment, then shifts back.
01:24:47 PM Dec 28th 2012
Dang. I missed that bit with all that has happened in those pages. I need to reread that bit. Thanks.
01:16:04 PM Dec 2nd 2012
This example was pulled earlier:

  • Author Filibuster: Titania asks Dresden if he has any problems with homosexuality (they were meeting at a park known for gay men hooking up), and Dresden gives a pretty in-depth speech about why it shouldn't matter what anyone does as long as it's not hurting anyone.
%% Remember that Author Filibuster is not inherently negative. The speech counts, even if you agree with every word he spoke. %%

I'd like to add it back because, as noted in the commented-out section, it's not an inherently negative trope. It was a page-long speech that came pretty much out of nowhere, bonked the reader over the head with the fact that there's nothing wrong with homosexuality, and is only tangentially relevant to the plot. If that's not Author Filibuster, I don't know what is.
08:58:52 AM Dec 3rd 2012
I don't see how it was an in-depth speech. It was basically Harry shrugging, going, "Well, if you find love somewhere good for you. Why are you asking me about gay dudes?" If it was an Author Filibuster, it wasn't much of one—Harry doesn't seem to even be enthused about his answer, just terribly awkward that he's talking about this sort of thing with one of the primal forces of the world.

As for relevance to the plot, there's some ideas on that in the Dresden forums, mostly along the lines of Titania gauging Harry on his answer, and picking that question because of where Harry chose to summon her, sort of like how Mia Wallace asks Vincent Vega some apparently random questions when he shows up at her house in Pulp Fiction.
04:57:21 PM Dec 25th 2012
It counts as in-depth because the same answer could have been accomplished with Harry literally just saying "Well, if you find love somewhere good for you. Why are you asking me about gay dudes?"

Instead we got a page-long speech where Harry drops it on our heads that we should be less concerned about what other people do in private and more concerned about the things that we do wrong, because obviously we can't condemn other people for stuff if there's anything dirty in our own houses.
07:29:42 AM Dec 26th 2012
edited by MrDeath
You're overreacting here. Harry isn't preaching or condemning, just saying how he feels about it, and why he feels that way about it. He only goes on because Titania presses him for a more detailed answer. I feel like I need a stamp with this on it: Not everything a character says is supposed to be a lesson. So don't take it as one. It's Harry just saying what he thinks, not Jim Butcher saying The Way The World Should Be Because I Believe It.
12:57:58 PM Dec 2nd 2012
The Hoist by His Own Petard example is, well, not an example, but I can't find a good trope for it. Evil Makes You Stupid, or something. The Dark Side Will Make You Forget sounds like it, but isn't (that's about character motivations).
12:17:10 PM Dec 2nd 2012
So I was going to make a WMG page, but I'm wondering...should I make a new one, or just make a redirect for the general Dresden Files WMG?
05:49:10 PM Nov 21st 2012
The shout outs section mentions Cait Sith being pronounced like it's spelled. Isn't it actually pronounced entirely differently? Do we have a trope for that?
12:47:54 PM Dec 5th 2012
A subversion of No Pronunciation Guide? As in, there is a guide, and the guide is wrong. I'm not completely sure how to pronounce it, though, so someone else will have to confirm that part.
11:45:22 AM Nov 19th 2012
Chapters, a Canadian book store chain messed up and at least one of their stores has Cold Days up on the shelves 10 days before the release date. I bought one and read it. Should I hold off of updating the page before the Real Release date? I am not fully aware of all tropes for the book but can add a few. I will not update before the release date if this place says no, but if i get the go ahead i will add one or two tropes that I recognize. Please have faith that i have read the book, I'm actually on my second read through.
09:28:29 AM Nov 20th 2012
I'd ask that you please hold off for the week until the proper release.

Also, I'm insanely jealous right now.
05:47:41 PM Nov 21st 2012
edited by Truec
Bah, misclicked. So long as I'm here though, likewise insanely jealous. Damn Canadia and your accidental early releases!