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Magiphart
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05:15:07 AM Mar 29th 2014
Smogon is not a reliable source.
VeryMelon
06:37:34 AM Mar 29th 2014
They are, and they have been accepted by the community as one for many years. Don't removed that edit note again.
Karxrida
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07:55:11 PM Nov 11th 2013
This page really needs to differentiate between in-game Game Breakers and competitive Game Breakers, since the 2 have completely different definitions.
VeryMelon
04:55:20 PM Dec 1st 2013
edited by 71.126.176.128
Okay, those were taken care of. Instead I'll move some of the entries to Disk One Nuke.
VeryMelon
09:15:33 AM Jan 12th 2014
edited by 173.73.9.103
Alright, I'm just going to cull entire generations if necessary if I don't find their examples to fit the Laconic of Gamebreaker which is: Beating the game just became ridiculously easy.

There is also still too much overlap between in-game and official/unofficial examples. Those too will be sorted out.
Karxrida
08:00:22 PM Jan 12th 2014
Whoever is adding Mega Evolutions like Mega Aggron and Mega Venusaur, please stop. Mega Aggron is nowhere near OU at the moment, and the leader of Smogon's OU Council has personally told me that Mega Venusaur is NOT being suspected anytime soon. [1] I would also appreciate it if Mega Lucario stays off the list until it has actually been banned, which might not happen for a few months (assuming it doesn't pass the suspect test).
VeryMelon
08:22:15 AM Jan 13th 2014
I wouldn't worry about Mega Lucario coming back here even officially. It's not as over-centralizing as Mega Kangaskhan was and doesn't have and exploitable auto-win like Mega Gengar does.
Karxrida
01:42:55 PM Jan 13th 2014
I just noticed that the entirety of Gen II is missing. I'm pretty sure that there's something in there that qualifies, if only in-game.
VeryMelon
02:34:18 PM Jan 13th 2014
Yeah I took care of that. The only examples in the gen 2 tab were competitive, so it had to go. I haven't seen an in-game Gamebreaker listed specifically for gen 2 yet.
VeryMelon
09:07:37 PM Jan 13th 2014
Okay, looks like someone added actual in-game examples for Gen 2.
Karxrida
02:06:10 PM Jan 14th 2014
I deleted those. One fell under the universal example of "trade from another (completed) game" while the other one was more or less impossible to actually accomplish.
VeryMelon
03:52:05 PM Jan 14th 2014
edited by 173.73.9.103
Ah, good catch then. Actually I'll move wondertrading to Gameplay Derailment since it's the same as what regular trading can do.
Karxrida
07:55:42 AM Jan 31st 2014
edited by 76.90.17.49
I noticed somebody deleted an example for Genesect. I'm too lazy to put it back in atm, but I'd like to know why it was removed, since it was banned by Smogon in Gen V (and might be banned again [1]). Also of note is that Mega Lucario is almost certainly getting the ban hammer when the same suspect test finishes on the 9th, so I just wanted to give a heads up.

EDIT: After rereading the change log, I noticed that only part of the Genesect example was removed (I read too fast x_x), concerning U-Turn. U-Turn is arguably what makes Genesect so dangerous to deal with, since it lets the players go on autopilot and grab massive momentum. I'm not going to re-add it yet in case anybody wants to dispute it, but I think that it should be left it.

EDIT 2: Also, does Audino qualify as a Game Breaker? It's just an big sack of EXP, and it still requires grinding to abuse. It just seems like it's too Boring, but Practical to be game breaking.
VeryMelon
08:43:33 AM Jan 31st 2014
I put the U-Turn info back. I though the Genesect entry was fine without it at first. I guess Audino could go.
Karxrida
09:23:26 AM Feb 6th 2014
I suggest that somebody should write up an entry for Mega Lucario to add for Lucarionite's pretty inevitable ban, but don't add it yet.
Karxrida
09:32:38 PM Feb 27th 2014
Another heads up for those who care: the "Swag Play" strategy has been put up for discussion on whether or not it should be banned. http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/swagplay-evaluating-potential-bans-basic-definition-of-uncompetitive-in-op.3500620/ If it does get banned, it should be noted that it wasn't because it was "broken", but because it is uncompetitive (read the first post for the definition of "uncompetitive" being used) for forcing a Luck-Based Mission in a (slightly) similar vein to Evasion by taking away control and giving unskilled players the ability to beat opponents they would normally be unable to due to abuse of hax. I just wanted to clarify that for future reference.
VeryMelon
09:38:11 PM Feb 27th 2014
That reminds me, should we list the "Fun Bro" strategy for the same reason?
Karxrida
10:01:14 PM Feb 27th 2014
Yeah, probably. It makes it literally impossible to win if it gets going.
VeryMelon
11:54:54 AM Mar 24th 2014
Well, Swagger was banned.
Karxrida
12:02:45 PM Mar 24th 2014
Um, no, they're still suspecting it right now.
VeryMelon
02:12:36 PM Mar 24th 2014
Oh sorry, Pokemon Online banned it, not Smogon.
VeryMelon
05:16:05 AM Apr 6th 2014
Karxrida
08:49:55 AM Apr 6th 2014
edited by 75.84.1.237
YES. And with a super-majority, too!
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