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flamemario12
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06:17:31 PM Dec 12th 2014
Are you sure that count? 1. The prize is you will get is based on luck. 2. Even if you're lucky enough, you will only get just one Master Ball, regardless of the levels you selected.
  • The third attraction on the Pokémon Global Link, Mine Cart Adventure, can give Master Balls as prizes. The ability to get infinite Master Balls means every Pokémon in the game can be caught instantly.
flamemario12
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06:55:40 AM Dec 7th 2014
Maybe we should move the details about how AG tier works from Mega Rayquaza entry to the Smogon article instead. The only thing we should keep is Mega Rayquaza is so broken that Smogon has to ban it from Uber and create a new tier call AG.
1810072342
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06:13:19 AM Dec 6th 2014
Should we put a page image up of Mega Rayquaza? Given that they banned it from the banlist, it fits better than even Mewtwo himself (although the page quote is still fair play).
VeryMelon
07:41:28 AM Dec 6th 2014
Images for Gamebreaker aren't allowed.
1810072342
08:23:47 AM Dec 6th 2014
Ok. Just wondering, why?
VeryMelon
08:48:25 AM Dec 6th 2014
There's no way to picture it with context.
flamemario12
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11:11:43 PM Dec 2nd 2014
That's odd. Nobody has written an entry about Primal Groudon or Primal Kyogre yet. Especially Primal Groudon.
VeryMelon
11:58:23 PM Dec 2nd 2014
Not every legendary Pokemon will get a write-up just because. You want one? You'll have to write it yourself.
Larkmarn
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02:28:28 PM Oct 20th 2014
Pulled this:
  • The Game Boy Color version of the Pokémon Trading Card Game, faithful to the original game, had hundreds of cards that relied on a coin flip. For example, the Poké Ball card allows a player to search their deck for any Pokémon and put it into their hand, but only if a coin flip comes up heads. This was not in itself unbalanced, but the problem came when the game's coin flipping system was not randomized. A player with a good sense of timing could earn a favorable result on every coin flip. This made cards like Vileplume and Kangaskhan able to destroy an opponent in just a few turns.

Because while the coin flips aren't randomized, they're also not determined by the player. They're a predetermined order, so if if goes heads, heads, tails, it'll always be that order.
Magiphart
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05:15:07 AM Mar 29th 2014
Smogon is not a reliable source.
VeryMelon
06:37:34 AM Mar 29th 2014
edited by 72.66.98.196
They are, and they have been accepted by the community as one for many years. Don't remove that edit note again.
Karxrida
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07:55:11 PM Nov 11th 2013
This page really needs to differentiate between in-game Game Breakers and competitive Game Breakers, since the 2 have completely different definitions.
VeryMelon
04:55:20 PM Dec 1st 2013
edited by 71.126.176.128
Okay, those were taken care of. Instead I'll move some of the entries to Disk One Nuke.
VeryMelon
09:15:33 AM Jan 12th 2014
edited by 173.73.9.103
Alright, I'm just going to cull entire generations if necessary if I don't find their examples to fit the Laconic of Gamebreaker which is: Beating the game just became ridiculously easy.

There is also still too much overlap between in-game and official/unofficial examples. Those too will be sorted out.
Karxrida
08:00:22 PM Jan 12th 2014
Whoever is adding Mega Evolutions like Mega Aggron and Mega Venusaur, please stop. Mega Aggron is nowhere near OU at the moment, and the leader of Smogon's OU Council has personally told me that Mega Venusaur is NOT being suspected anytime soon. [1] I would also appreciate it if Mega Lucario stays off the list until it has actually been banned, which might not happen for a few months (assuming it doesn't pass the suspect test).
VeryMelon
08:22:15 AM Jan 13th 2014
I wouldn't worry about Mega Lucario coming back here even officially. It's not as over-centralizing as Mega Kangaskhan was and doesn't have and exploitable auto-win like Mega Gengar does.
Karxrida
01:42:55 PM Jan 13th 2014
I just noticed that the entirety of Gen II is missing. I'm pretty sure that there's something in there that qualifies, if only in-game.
VeryMelon
02:34:18 PM Jan 13th 2014
Yeah I took care of that. The only examples in the gen 2 tab were competitive, so it had to go. I haven't seen an in-game Gamebreaker listed specifically for gen 2 yet.
VeryMelon
09:07:37 PM Jan 13th 2014
Okay, looks like someone added actual in-game examples for Gen 2.
Karxrida
02:06:10 PM Jan 14th 2014
I deleted those. One fell under the universal example of "trade from another (completed) game" while the other one was more or less impossible to actually accomplish.
VeryMelon
03:52:05 PM Jan 14th 2014
edited by 173.73.9.103
Ah, good catch then. Actually I'll move wondertrading to Gameplay Derailment since it's the same as what regular trading can do.
Karxrida
07:55:42 AM Jan 31st 2014
edited by 76.90.17.49
I noticed somebody deleted an example for Genesect. I'm too lazy to put it back in atm, but I'd like to know why it was removed, since it was banned by Smogon in Gen V (and might be banned again [1]). Also of note is that Mega Lucario is almost certainly getting the ban hammer when the same suspect test finishes on the 9th, so I just wanted to give a heads up.

EDIT: After rereading the change log, I noticed that only part of the Genesect example was removed (I read too fast x_x), concerning U-Turn. U-Turn is arguably what makes Genesect so dangerous to deal with, since it lets the players go on autopilot and grab massive momentum. I'm not going to re-add it yet in case anybody wants to dispute it, but I think that it should be left it.

EDIT 2: Also, does Audino qualify as a Game Breaker? It's just an big sack of EXP, and it still requires grinding to abuse. It just seems like it's too Boring but Practical to be game breaking.
VeryMelon
08:43:33 AM Jan 31st 2014
I put the U-Turn info back. I though the Genesect entry was fine without it at first. I guess Audino could go.
Karxrida
09:23:26 AM Feb 6th 2014
I suggest that somebody should write up an entry for Mega Lucario to add for Lucarionite's pretty inevitable ban, but don't add it yet.
Karxrida
09:32:38 PM Feb 27th 2014
Another heads up for those who care: the "Swag Play" strategy has been put up for discussion on whether or not it should be banned. http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/swagplay-evaluating-potential-bans-basic-definition-of-uncompetitive-in-op.3500620/ If it does get banned, it should be noted that it wasn't because it was "broken", but because it is uncompetitive (read the first post for the definition of "uncompetitive" being used) for forcing a Luck-Based Mission in a (slightly) similar vein to Evasion by taking away control and giving unskilled players the ability to beat opponents they would normally be unable to due to abuse of hax. I just wanted to clarify that for future reference.
VeryMelon
09:38:11 PM Feb 27th 2014
That reminds me, should we list the "Fun Bro" strategy for the same reason?
Karxrida
10:01:14 PM Feb 27th 2014
Yeah, probably. It makes it literally impossible to win if it gets going.
VeryMelon
11:54:54 AM Mar 24th 2014
Well, Swagger was banned.
Karxrida
12:02:45 PM Mar 24th 2014
Um, no, they're still suspecting it right now.
VeryMelon
02:12:36 PM Mar 24th 2014
Oh sorry, Pokemon Online banned it, not Smogon.
VeryMelon
05:16:05 AM Apr 6th 2014
Karxrida
08:49:55 AM Apr 6th 2014
edited by 75.84.1.237
YES. And with a super-majority, too!
Karxrida
03:06:50 PM Jun 21st 2014
Swagger was recently banned from Ubers. The entries for Double Team, OHKO moves, Moody, and Swagger also need to be rewritten to emphasize that they are not necessarily broken, but were banned for being uncompetitive (removing skill from the game completely due to invoking a Luck-Based Mission). I can't do it myself since I'm on vacation and writing on an iPod, so I'd really appreciate if someone would get on that.
Karxrida
03:11:18 PM Jun 21st 2014
My edit didn't work, so double posting. Refrain from adding the Baton Pass nerf for now since there's a noticeable Broken Base about whether the nerf succeed or actually made things worse.
Karxrida
12:38:41 AM Jul 12th 2014
Baton Pass is now limited to 1 Mon per team and Full BP is dead. Feel free to add t if I don't later (I need to sleep). Also a heads up that the Deos were banned and Aegislash is now being tested.
VeryMelon
02:36:28 PM Aug 2nd 2014
Aegislash has been banned to Ubers.
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