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FOFD
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02:25:09 PM Aug 14th 2014
edited by 67.239.231.115
"These seem fine to me."

These don't seem right. But Fridge Brilliance also seems to lack clear definition, or restriction. It falls into pure conjecture. The page would be/was swamped with really thin examples, like: "Weiss wears all white because she's winter-themed".

Examples like these sound like Fridge Brilliance to me:

"Pyrrha didn't use any recoil from her weapon to slow her descent, and just smashed through everything until she stopped. While this in itself is a viable strategy, it makes more sense given that she was intending to help Jaune all along. Since he was just falling, with nothing stopping him, she couldn't slow herself down and still land in time."

The rest of these do not:

  • A meta example: the shipping name 'White Rose' is a reference to Weiss and Ruby, but also a literal description of Ruby's sigil.

Its a fan-term, a ship name. This isn't tied to the show, mentioned, or integral. A meta example about something created outside of the show, does that fit?

  • The iconic pose Ruby makes against the moon in her trailer is subtly repeated in the other three. Weiss poses in front of a window's streaming light before delivering the finishing blow to the knight, Blake poses in front of the shattered moon after doing a launch attack with Gambol Shroud against the Spider Mecha, and Yang backflips after punching Junior, posing up against the disco ball at the club as she reaches the height of the flip.

How is this a sudden realization? This is a pattern that establishes...? This one doesn't seem to fit.

  • There's a neat callback during the Food Fight when once again in a fight, Ruby does a Flash Step directly in front of Weiss. Only this time, instead of screwing up Weiss's attack, it was to take the shot from Nora that Weiss was trying to brace for.

So a Call Back is Fridge Brilliance?

  • Going back to Volume 1: When Nora and Ren are introduced, a joke is made of Nora's motor-mouth nature by having her constantly gabble over the duo's morning activities. Note how she seems to continue talking about the same subject over each timeskip. Impossible, yes? This could be seen as just a weird mistake... or it could imply that Nora is so scatterbrained, that she keeps looping the monologue back around to the same subjects over and over and over again.

...Really?

  • Why did Penny sound unnaturally cheery and exceedingly strict in her diction at the end of Volume 1? Because she's a robot, as revealed in Volume 2, Episode 3. It is likely that her personality hadn't developed much beyond that of a basic AI at the time of first meeting the gang, and in the few weeks between the fight and meeting Ruby again, it could have developed, and is now much more subtle, and more natural.

Conjecture?

  • Now that we know that Weiss has a sister, her comment back in season one about how she always wanted bunk beds as a kid suddenly makes more sense.

How? What? What part of that "makes more sense"? It means she had a sister but they slept in separate rooms, or beds. It's not Fridge Brilliance, an immediate realization that makes the whole thing better. It's a bland observation.

And another matter, why were all the Fridge Logic entries moved to Headscratchers, while few seem to mind the increasingly dull Fridge Brilliance entries?

bigfatcarp93
04:33:03 AM Sep 9th 2014
I think you're being a bit of a stick in the mud here. Just because it doesn't seem terribly insightful to you doesnt make it problematic; it's not like it's hurting anything. What, do you think all the good ideas are only going to start crawling out of the woodwork if we make room for them? This is what people are coming up with, deal.
FOFD
05:01:31 PM Oct 23rd 2014
edited by 67.239.229.245
It's Trope Decay.

And in a sense, yes. Look at the CMOA and Fridge pages for franchises like Naruto and Bleach. They get congested with bad entries that start with "this troper felt" and similar hyperbole.

If it doesn't fit the incredibly vague definition of the trope, should it be here? If the Laconic is too vague to censor entries, shouldn't the definition be made stricter? This shouldn't be a dumping ground for "Oh, one of the cast members said this, now that makes sense!"

And some of these aren't what the trope is. There are some entries I think are plain stupid, some that are okay, some that are pretty interesting, and then there are were some entries that ignored the trope's definition. Some are pure speculation.

Entries like this one:

In Vol. 2 Episode 5, Cinder is seen sewing. While the implications for the meaning behind the needle are very much wild mass guessing, the actual act of sewing makes sense in the context of her fairy tale: after all, Cinderella was expected to serve her wicked stepmother and stepsisters and do every chore, sewing included. In Vol. 2 Episode 7, we see her clothes glow like fire when she attacks and could change into a formal dress when she had to make a quick disguise. What we saw her do in episode 5 was weaving dust into her clothes.

That's Fridge Brilliance.

This one?

Pyrrha takes on team CRDL in 4 on 1 fight. Who wants to bet she agreed to that because she still had a grudge for how they treated Jaune? Throw in the brutal way she finished off Cardin and it looks pretty likely. Given Glynda's protests when Mercury requested to fight Pyrrha, it even possible that fighting Team CRDL was Pyrrha's idea. Sadly, she didn't make good on her threat to break his legs.

Heck no.
bigfatcarp93
06:49:37 PM Oct 23rd 2014
You may be right about some of these, though with others it seems more like you're doing exactly what some of these people putting these relatively vague examples are doing: projecting YOUR opinion about what does and doesn't constitute Fridge Brilliance. If it seems brilliant to someone, they put it up there, and who are you or anyone to say they're wrong?

And what do you suggest is done about it? Remove them? Based on who's judgement? Who has the right to decide what's brilliant and what isn't? For example, I actually wrote the one about Nora's introduction, a realization that was a classic Fridge moment for me. I thought it was brilliant. But you reply with a sardonic "Really?", implying you find it to be anything but. But who's right? If one of us is just correct and the other isn't, that implies that the "winner's" opinion is more important, which obviously isn't true.

Ultimately, it comes down to the entire Fridge kind of being YMMV.
Sp8desSlick
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03:01:50 PM Aug 29th 2013
What happened to all the Fridge Brilliance that was here?
Discar
03:11:36 PM Aug 29th 2013
...nothing. It's all still there.
FOFD
05:29:21 PM Sep 10th 2013
edited by 67.239.230.251
@Sp8des Slick

A lot of what was "there" were bland observations like, "This character has white hair, and this makes sense because she dresses in white clothing, which symbolizes that she likes winter, because she's winter-themed, and she has ice powers..."

That example doesn't really indicate any sort of brilliant deduction and isn't very significant, or factual, they're mostly pure speculation. You might as well point out how the hairstyles of every character are somehow relevant to the overall plot.
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