Previous Trope Repair Shop thread: Needs Help
, started by Powoga on Jan 3rd 2017 at 2:07:14 PM
Okay we seem to have a massive problem on these pages that were made some years ago breaking recent site rules. Namely tagging and referring to oneself?
I have started to go through and fix these instances as I find them. Is anyone willing to help in this endeavour?
Is it just me, or is it that all the Fridge articles don't link back to the Fridge indexes?
I can't believe that there isn't a Mathematics section on this page.
It is allowed, but examples are usually moved to their own subpages.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
For a while, this trope required entries to be signed.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I think we should rename this trope to Fridge Humor. When I first saw the link, I thought it was the opposite of Fridge Logic: The more you think about it, the more it makes sense, right? But I was WRONG!!!
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It's SUPPOSED to be something that makes no sense or flies under the radar but becomes a 'my mind is blown' moment after you think about it. I have barely ever even seen an example related to humor, usually its like 'wow they dropped hints that Alice is Bob's daughter!' So in short: it looks good as it is, to me.
Bootmii
Is there any way to use the wiki software to label a trope a subjective trope?
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Well, you can put it on the YMMV index, thus giving it the subjective banner across the top.
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
What's the point of this trope? It just seems useless compared to Fridge Logic. Whenever I've seen it used, it's nearly always used by the writer in a feeble attempt to make their FL's seem as if the idea they've had is the best thing EVAH (eg, "This idea is totally Fridge Brilliance in my mind!").
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That's not how it's used or what it means at all.
Fridge Logic is when you look back at a show and realize, "You know, this part doesn't really make sense."
Fridge Brilliance is when you look back at a show and realize, "You know, that makes a whole lot more sense than I thought."
I.e., they're pretty much the opposite.
I know that it means what MrDeath said, but I partially agree with Aradials, in that I have seen it misused for stuff like that or thinly veiled WMGs.
Thanks for that, but I do still think the misuse needs to be addressed somewhere.
This and other Fridge tropes seem to be popping up in the YMMV pages of various articles when it says not to list it as a trope! I have been doing what I could to fix it, but why is this happening?!
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Because people don't read the pages properly.
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
^And because someone thought it was a good idea to put it on YMMV.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Should we start a music section in the examples?
For instance: in one of Porcupine Tree's songs ("Blackest Eyes"), I didnt realize until I had listened to the song 8-10 times before I realized he was whispering under the singing, suggesting that the protagonist has dissociative identity disorder (multiple personalities)
If there's a few more we'd have enough to start a music sub-section.
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I can't help but observe that without reading the author's mind, there's no way to distinguish Fridge Brilliance from pure coincidence. And as a writer who sometimes spots such coincidences in my own work, I should know.
That's me.
I've noticed that the Fan Fic page of Fridge Brilliance is basically a copy of the Fan Works folder on the main page. What should we do about it?
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Anyone have an idea? I don't want to go around deleting things when I shouldn't.
I'd say delete the Fan Works folder on the main page. Just make sure any points not on the separate page are moved there first.
Okay, it's done. I think there was only one point that was not echoed on the Fan Fic page, which I moved before deleting the Fan Works folder. Now if it's decided to move the Fan Fic page back here, at least all the points are in one spot.
"The House is mad because it will be the future site of CWC Ville! — gumbal1"
I don't understand why this was under Web Comics. I doubt that the Sonichu comic made any references to House of Leaves and vice versa. This sounds like something under WMG.
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ok what happened to the soul anime page on this subject it has fewer examples!I mean it was stuffed full buut now it's barely anything in there.
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I think someone moved a lot of the examples to their own Fridge pages, like how Death Note has it's own linked on the main page. So (assuming none of the entries were lost in the transition) I guess the answer of where they've all gone is... here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/namespace_index.php?ns=Fridge
Should we be doing something about this? Like maybe putting links to all the anime specific ones on the anime page? And doing likewise for the other sections?
We really need some links, at least to where to find all the subpages. It just currently looks like someone's deleted most of the page.
Okay, I got a start on it. Just did a quick scan through that list I posted above, though I know I missed a number of them. Also, someone else needs to link to the Pokémon Special page, and others with special characters, because I still have no idea how to link those properly with this format.
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Hey, does anyone else notice that this trope is essentially (or at least regularly used as) a justified instance of fridge logic?
I mean, how many times have you seen a fridge logic entry with an additional note that links to fridge brilliance, but looks suspiciously like it should link to "justified trope"?
JET73L
JET73L: Who replaced the gorilla? I liked the gorilla!
But seriously, is there any way that we can make more concisely clear the difference between Fridge Brilliance and Late to the Punchline? As it is, people seem to get too bogged down in all the words. Maybe put a sort of Laconical List of Subtle Trope Distinctions entry in a clearly visible place in the description of each of the two pages?
Fridge Brilliance: That's stupid. ...Wait, that's cool.
Late to the Punchline: Idon'geddit/I don't notice anything. ...Oh, now I get it!"
I think where people are getting confused is that they seem to think that Fridge Brilliance is either applicable to any delayed realization that isn't a joke, or is anything that they thought took a lot of intelligence to see, when it's really something you don't like becoming something you find cool once you realize the flaw you thought was there had already been taken care of— the inverse of Fridge Logic, where something cool becomes stupid once you realize a flaw in it. Late to the Punchline, on the other hand, is where you don't notice the joke because you don't realize the humor in it (I think it needs to be a joke, but I don't know exactly where the line is for the trope thanks to things like satire and parody) or know it's there but not why it's funny. The only crossover is when you fall for Poe's Law and then realize it was actually quite a humorous satire rather than a complete idiot. ...I think, some people may not count that as Fridge Brilliance because it's too obvious.
Which brings me to my next point: Brilliance doesn't just mean "Oh, that took a lot of brainpower!" It can also mean "Oh, that sudden click just caused a moment of clarity!" I think the former is what the trope namers were trying to evoke, but still. Just because it's brilliant doesn't mean it's fridge brilliance, and just because it's not brilliant doesn't mean it isn't.
So, anyone up for translating the example two-line set and the line/paragraph following it into something concise enough for the tl;dr'ers yet clear enough that it expresses the point of the difference? Because I know I'm not, at least not without quite a bit more experience or a fortuitous flash of a good phrasing idea.
By the way, please tell me if I'm Completely Missing The Point, misunderstood the explanations, and they really are that ambiguous.
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The last thing the internet needs is another picture of a kitty. I put the funnier image back.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
What kitty? The gorilla is Just A Face And A Caption, since it seems those who post those are the new Nazis would the kitty image work better?
Currently reading up My Rule Fu Is Stronger than Yours
Fast Eddie, the Fridge Logic page specifically states that Fridge Logic goes into the It Just Bugs Me! pages.
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I updated the Fridge Logic page. It now gives the reader more detail on what to do with a particular plot bunny/wild idea that comes to them.
All part of the drive to get the non-storytelling stuff out of the examples lists.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Some Guy
Point of clarification for requested- why does this page have examples when Fridge Logic doesn't?
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Of course...now some pages are getting their own Fridge Brilliance page...so...?
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Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Not so brilliant
, started by Prfnoff on Nov 8th 2010 at 6:27:12 AM
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman