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If you think it's incorrect or biased, that thread is the place to discuss it.
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Er, should we add something about her support of Maya Forester and transphobia considering the impact it's had on people's views on her?
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Despite the fact it's entirely true and should be coloring the public perception of her, we're here for works and actively try not to trope real life.
... even though she's at this point an out-and-out transphobe.
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Considering that we add tropes for things people say in interviews or for how their personality contrasts with that of a character they may portray, I think it's something to at least consider seriously, even in the 'Trivia' or something. The fact that we HAVE a trope page on a real person means that we are troping out real life, does it not? I don't have an answer and I just felt it was important to bring it up at the very least.
It is mentioned. But it's not really a Tropy topic, and is better covered in Wikipedia.
At this point, considering how completely Rowling has immersed herself in Terf rhetoric, it feels downright irresponsible not to mention it. Considering how every article these days about the writer discusses this...well, this is getting pretty conspicuous.
We have Boris Pasternak listed in Role-Ending Misdemeanor for being forced to refuse a Nobel Prize. Rowling would also come under that category for having to return her Ripple of Hope award.
Overshadowed by Controversy could also apply, given that all her books are now also having a much more critical eye directed at them.
Rowling's transphobic views have become such an outsize part of her public persona that any article striving to present a comprehensive overview of her career would be remiss not to mention them. She used the CreepyCrossdresser trope in her most recent novel, giving her transphobia a trope-ish relevance. It's probably better covered in the biographical lede than in the tropes section though. This is the approach taken on Orson Scott Card's page.
I know I'm replying to a two-year old discussion, but this is moot. It's IN her work; right back in Goblet of Fire, read the physical description of Rita Skeeter when she is first introduced; a character whose ENTIRE ROLE IN THE PLOT is to 'illegally transform her body to spy on children' is described as a negative trans stereotype. Rowling has been a TERF from day one and she included it into her most famous work, so it's relevant.
And we do have a paragraph on her page acknowledging that, which has been revised several times with input from the forum's ROCEJ thread.
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Per American and Commonwealth Spellings, "If there are strong national ties to the page in question, it's okay to standardi(s/z)e to one spelling." Rowling is British, so this page should be using Commonwealth spellings.
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I second this, but if you're British or any form of professional linguist, you'd be better off doing it than me. The extent of my knowledge is summed up in the words colo(u)ri(s/z)e (and similar discrepancies), alumin(i)um (which frankly I hate because I think the anywhere-but-America spelling actually makes more sense), and "Anything I can discover with Google or dictionary.com".
Edited by macks2010 Christian, gamer, programmer, brony, and quadriplegic (paralyzed mid-thorax down). I am filled with determination...
The Mighty Whitey entry was removed from the trivia tab with the reason for removal being "clearly not trivia". Then it got removed from the main tab with the reason given being "this is trivia". What gives?
This is not something I make up, it is an actual complaint from Native Americans about the Ilvermorny series: https://thegeekanthropologist.com/2016/07/08/magical-maladies-and-injuries-cultural-appropriation-in-j-k-rowlings-ilvermorny/
I'm the person who cut it from the main page. To be fair, I did not know that there were actual complaints about it, which I pointed out; seeing as there are, I have no real problem with it aside from my personal issues with the concept of cultural appropriation, which are more or less irrelevant. Linking the article with the example would clear up most of the problem, with the rest of it being that I'm pretty sure Mighty Whitey is not the trope you want here.
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Errrr. I think that's closer. If you want to cover the reactions to it, that should probably go on the YMMV page for the main Harry Potter series under Internet Backdraft or something.
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I would add that the premise of the complaint is fairly flawed, since she DID change a lot of creatures from European mythology. Her leprechauns are NOTHING like "real" leprechauns; her boggarts are nothing like "real" boggarts; her selkies are nothing like "real" Selkies, her Veela are nothing like Vila and are more like sirens, and her fairies are nothing like "real" fairies.
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No, Noble Bigot does not work. Magical Native American might be the closest, although that doesn't apply to her... again, it seems to fall under Internet Backdraft, or an internet-less version of that.
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Seems like it's something worth noting, though.
Suggestion: Maybe move it to Harry Potter, since it relates specifically to that verse?
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so...to be clear, here, we are writing nothing about Rowling's junk about Native Americans OR her trash takes on trans people.
christ, guys, really? this is downright embarrassing here.
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"Apparently, she split her personality into three parts when designing the Golden Trio..."
Oh, God... is that like creating a Horcrux? What incantation do you have to do to split your personality? :)
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"Since late 2019, Rowling has been a vocal opponent of self-identification for transgender people." Can we adress the fact that this phrase is objectly false? Rowling has said things that have been interpreted as transphobic, but not only has she never opposed trans people's right to self-identify, but has actively stated she supports said right. Phrased as it is, the article is misleading to say the least.
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