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Candi
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04:42:52 AM Sep 7th 2013
edited by 69.172.221.4
  • Jerkass Dissonance: You could argue that Therkla was treated very sympathetically considering her actions. This is obviously meant as an example of Love Redeems, but she didn't exactly know Elan to any depth and on a closer reading it comes across more like "Unrequited Lust Somehow Redeems". She was happy to kill other Azurites or members of the Order unless he asked her not to, out of loyalty for an ambitious and clearly evil aristocrat. Wanting Elan to leave Haley to be with her wasn't a particularly noble motivation; one wonders if her attraction would be seen as more romantic or creepy if the genders were reversed.

Putting this here for a bit.

Created YMMV page and moved this example there.
Discar
08:14:47 AM Sep 7th 2013
Character pages don't get YMMV tabs like that. Just put it on the normal YMMV page.
Randy
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11:34:55 AM Apr 4th 2011
Where does it say what class Daigo and Kazumi are? I was under the impression they are warriors.
Meshakhad
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12:17:31 PM Feb 14th 2011
I'm not sure if Thanh is Lawful Stupid. He's not stupid, he's just bad at subtlety.
StFan
02:30:36 PM Feb 14th 2011
The text following tries to mellow it, but it's true, it probably isn't a right example of the trope. His lack of subtlety would fit more along Honor Before Reason...
KSonik
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10:03:58 AM Jan 15th 2011
The thing about antiheroes and catergories is that not every Antihero is going to fit in the scale whilst being an antihero.

Vaarsuvius for example doesn't really fit that well into any type as he is selfish and not really that particularly malicious in general right up until the Familicide. Shojo is definetly an antihero as he has no trouble with lying and manipulation which ius definetly not heroic.
StFan
12:16:54 PM Jan 15th 2011
edited by StFan
Having no trouble with manipulation and lying is more the scope of the Guile Hero, who is considered a genuine kind of hero, just different from the Action Hero and Science Hero. It's usually not enough to put you straight into the Anti-Hero category.

Also, there's the fact that Shojo never was a main character, and thus could hardly be quantified as a "hero", anti of not.

Vaarsuvius, on the other hand, has many, many Anti-Hero qualities: way overenthusiastic with the use of force, abrasive to the point of ruthlessness with his comrades (as seen with Elan), mostly motivated by the quest for "arcane ultimate power", way-too-easy to anger, etc. S/He wouldn't even need the Deal with the Devil to qualify. S/He still has good motivation deep down, and is less anti-heroic than Belkar. So s/he fits between type IV and type V, specifically into the Byronic Hero subcategory.
KSonik
12:21:31 PM Jan 15th 2011
Although it would be stupid to say he doesn't care about his friends and family, the same thing cannot be said for complete strangers as shown by his complete refusal to help the Dirt Farmers. Combined with his quest for ultimate arcane power, and how he generally acted at least before the spoilered event above he is definetly an Anti-Hero, but of the selfish variety, not the partially heroic kind
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