Pulled this:
- Even Bad Men Love Their Mamas: Or in this case, daddy. He seems genuinely grateful when Roose recognizes him as his own son even after being treated as a bastard after all these years.
- Also, while he doesn't appear to care much about his mother, considering she died when he was very young, he seems genuinely appalled at the revelation that Roose raped her for the simple 'crime' of marrying without his permission.
- While his interactions with his step-mother Walda have been few, he's always treated her with kindness and respect. This doesn't eliminate the possibility of Ramsay only imitating affection for her however.
For the first, the fact that it's his father is a pretty huge red flag. This is a pretty specific trope about mothers, not parents in general.
For the second two... the first seems more just more shock at how vile Roose was. The entry itself says that there's no sign of caring about his mother, just surprised at Roose's ruthlessness.
And the second... you mean other than calling her fat and implying that sex with her is actually impossible? We've never seen him rude to her face, but we sure as hell have seen him be a dick behind her back.
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Should Reek really be listed as seperate character from Theon?
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I'm pretty okay with it so far. No harm in it, and it's ginormous spoilers for seasons 1-3. They have... very, very, very little in common at the moment, other than just the physical body.
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The book version has all his tropes under one folder though. And we know that Reek will eventually revert back to his Theon persona.
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Moved this here:
- Even Evil Has Standards:
- For an unrepentant sadist even Roose is a bit off-put at how brutal Ramsay's torture of Theon had gone, though its probably more along the lines of that Ramsay rendered Theon useless as a potential hostage in order to convince the Greyjoys to withdraw their forces.
- Roose was genuinely shocked and upset when Locke arrived with Jaime missing his sword-hand. He's fine with torture but pointless brutality is obviously distasteful to him. Not to mention that it risked damaging his attempt to curry favor with Tywin Lannister and that's a man even Roose doesn't want to cross by maiming his eldest son.
These are Shoehorned Examples. There's little evidence that it's anything other than Pragmatic Villainy to Roose. The first example starts off claiming that Roose is offended on moral grounds, then concludes that it's actually a different trope altogether. In the second example we know in hindsight that Roose had already arranged a deal with Tywin, and given how he was intentionally being a prick to Jaime with his sister's fate and during the dinner scene, it's hard to believe he would suddenly draw the line with chopping off someone's hand (he did conspire to stab a woman's unborn son to death and shoved a knife into his own lord's heart).
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I'm unsure if this would count as Genre Blind, Wrong Genre Savvy, or Stupid Evil, so I'll post it here and see what others think. Entry for Ramsay.
He tells Theon he won't kill him because he's of no use dead, and we see the Boltons intend to use Theon as a hostage to get the Greyjoys to withdraw their armies. However, since Ramsay took the liberty of castrating Theon and letting his father know, Balon doesn't care about his son anymore.
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Villain Ball may apply, but the consequence of his actions have yet to be known, what with Yara's storyline, which is diverging from Asha's
Can I ask why does Theon and Reek have a disambiguation? I mean this is something that's always bugged me and its exclusive to the show page. The books have one page and entry for Theon and Reek.
In any case, Theon has been Theon for three whole seasons. Season 3 is when he's tortured into becoming Reek and he only becomes Reek at the end of that season in the last episode, and then he goes back into Reek Mode in Season 4 and in Season 5, he's going to come out. So can I say we merge Reek back to Theon's page. Because mostly its just a pointless entries and repeats aspects from the earlier character.
The other thing is that calling Theon and Reek into two is not nice, for one thing it privileges Ramsay as an abuser rather than Theon as a victim, so I feel we should re-merge the two entries into one.