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superdawge
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04:05:05 AM May 24th 2013
Should spotpass character Priam continue to be a spoiler? He's an original character to the game and does not have a significant impact on the story. Plus being Ike's descendant isn't much of a big deal IMO.
PiplupPeanut
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07:51:29 PM May 7th 2013
Should Cordelia's crush on Chrom really be spoilered? It outright says she's in love with him in her barracks profile - it's not really much of a secret.
Fushigisaur
09:18:20 AM May 8th 2013
I agree with this. The game never tries to keep it a secret. I don't know who tought it was a spoiler, or why, but it seems silly to me.
Schezoroark
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01:21:04 PM May 3rd 2013
I'm just leaving this here: A group of crows is called a murder. Let that sink in considering Henry's...personality.
SeptimusHeap
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10:51:54 AM Apr 28th 2013
The link to Henry is being the source of a dispute. Can we stop edit warring about it?
Otherarrow
05:48:22 PM Apr 28th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.42
Fair enough. I will leave it be, since I am confident that it will be cut.

Since you asked for discussion: The page really shouldn't exist. He is a minor character from one game, and really doesn't do anything that would warrant him having a whole separate page, much less a self-demonstrating one. As you probably know, I removed the link multiple times and put the page on the cutlist (as instructed when I asked about it on the Fire Emblem forum page).

Sorry if I am not very convincing. Argument isn't something I am good at.
UnobligatoryStunfisk
06:23:46 AM Apr 29th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.45
I feel silly for not thinking of using the discussion page. Thanks for breaking the chaos.

My main counterargument is that There Is no Such Thing as Notability. It seriously doesn't matter if he's a minor character. Doesn't matter if you think he deserves a self-demonstration page or not. The fact is that someone took up the time to write one for him to provide amusement for others and promote links to certain tropes and the Fire Emblem series. I fail to see the crime in that.

Furthermore, characters like Wheatley, who is a character in only one game, and the large assortment of comic book characters who have only a few appearances, have their own pages as well. If we're holding this rule for one character, then it should be held for them all, otherwise a double-standard is created. That's going to be a mess to cutlist all of them without plenty of backdraft, so the obvious choice becomes either letting them all be or starting biased deletion.
SeptimusHeap
06:41:39 AM Apr 29th 2013
I think we can probably wait until the cut request is accepted. I also note that the self deom page has 97 inbounds, which is usually the point at which we decline cut requests.
Otherarrow
09:22:04 AM Apr 29th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.45
EDIT: This bit was outright wrong, and stemmed from my own misunderstanding of terms. Forgive me.

Rest of original post:

I can't say for the comic book characters, as the only ones I know of who get self-demo pages are major recurring characters like Deadpool, the Joker, and Dr. Doom (though I feel the later two don't really deserve the self-demo format, but that is neither here or there), but Wheatly is the main antagonist of Portal 2. Henry is literally one face among several in Chrom's army, and the plot wouldn't change if he was omitted. I do personally feel that giving Wheatly a page is a bit much, but at the same time, I have to admit that he is more deserving of one than Henry, since he is actually important to the one game he appears in.

The thing about There Is no Such Thing as Notability, at least as I understand it, is that it applies to works. The example given is a obscure Earthbound comic that died after so many strips. Henry is not a work. He is a small, minor part of another work. He doesn't stand out on his own.

Forgive me if this sounds bad, but we have to draw the line somewhere.
SeptimusHeap
09:55:17 AM Apr 29th 2013
  1. We have no evidence that the 97 inbounds were created by the creator.
  2. You can't Entry Pimp inbounds (These are offsite links; kind of hard to spread links through the whole internet)
  3. Self Demonstrating pages are Just for Fun and don't necessarily have to confirm with the rules.
MFM
10:18:14 AM Apr 29th 2013
I'm not sure how valuable the inbounds actually are in judging how much it's thriving; 90% of the inbound referrals come from one topic each on two of the more popular Fire Emblem fora that were made specifically to show off the page.
Otherarrow
10:46:28 AM Apr 29th 2013
Ah, my mistake. I confused "inbounds" with "links in site" while assuming.

Again, sorry. I am not very good at this.
MFM
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12:50:45 PM Apr 26th 2013
I'm wondering how necessary it is to keep the Spotpass character entries spoiler tagged, since there's now a folder for them, and the folder heading warns of spoilers.

I would just change it, but I want to see how other people feel about it first.
superdawge
09:09:11 PM Apr 27th 2013
edited by 69.172.221.8
Eye vote for removing the tags. At this point, I personally think it's ok to do so. We've made the necessary precautions to protect the juicy secrets, but allow the redundant stuff to be seen.

  • But then one could also argue that the fact that they are spotpass characters IS a juicy secret. tough call.
NoirSon
12:16:15 PM May 31st 2013
I would think the spoiler tags should be removed for the characters that don't appear in the main story since they really aren't a secret nor is the fact that Spotpass offers the ability to recruit characters.
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