That seems very speculative. Unless we get stronger hints that Julyan is a voidsent, I would advise against writing anything for it.
The Danse Macabre CodexAt this point, should Hydaelyn's folder be spoiler warned and unmarked?
Hide / Show RepliesI'd say so. There's so much about her in Endwalker that makes her previous entries almost spoilers too, so might as well.
Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.I pm'd hollowcity about this, but since NonoRobot also requested something here: Regarding Hydaelyn edits (spoilers for Endwalker MSQ story): hollowcity's edit reasons and text directly contradict cutscenes in Endwalker such as Venat / Hydaelyn being present at the end of the Elpis section of the story, when Meteion is shown to be consumed by the despair she discovered on other worlds and explains her plan to hoard and spread this despair to all of creation, including the planet FFXIV takes place on. Meaning she was already aware from the start other stars influenced Meteion's insanity, and so on.
If hollowcity feels strongly about keeping something about Hydaelyn's plans only working out due to the Warrior of Light something like "But if not for the Warrior of Light, the planet would have been abandoned and destroyed by Meteion long before Hydaelyn's solution came to pass." would still express this without contradicting plot points in the expansion.
Edited by ashlay Hide / Show RepliesI already sent you a detailed PM, but in the end the issue boils down to Hydaelyn's logic basically being "our world was too perfect so it couldn't handle the Sound, so I will recreate the exact same sort of suffering that drove Meteion insane in the first place in the hope that somehow this suffering won't create the same exact feedback loop that started this issue in the first place while ALSO hoping that the Wo L/Azem will be reborn at the exact right time to grow up in time to stop Calamities/The Final Day from happening because they will have suffered enough to become numb/hopeful/inured to despair. Suffering and warfare creates plenty of negative emotions, after all. If the Wo L/Azem hadn't acted as a beacon of hope, it's pretty unlikely things would have turned out like Hydaelyn thought they would have. It's basically like how the original Venat wanted to free humanity from the Occuria's manipulations... by engaging in the exact same sort of manipulations they did and killing millions for the greater good and the game doesn't really hesitate to point out the original Venat's hypocrisy while also acknowledging her/their's good intentions. Good intentions doesn't bring people back to life. This also doesn't account for how the Sound's return was a huge wham moment for most of the planet, who were completely unprepared and already dealing with multiple wars and internal conflicts. Like what did Hydaelyn think would happen? They would all Hope/Pray really hard and make things okay? Did she not realize those other strife ridden stars also had people who hoped for a better future despite all their suffering?
Edited by hollowcityI'm going to chime in here because I've also been noting what looks like hollow's trend to attempt to vilify Hydaelyn/Venat; the problem in-game is that pretty much every civilization that was "perfect" was actually in some form imperfect, and thus were completely unprepared for the Sound. Therefore, the only way forward was to create a world that could never reach perfection, and would on some level be able to fight back, as horrible a decision as it was to make. Additionally, sundering the world reduced how much aether the people on it had and increasing their dynamis capability, allowing them to further resist. Venat essentially chose the one option that had a high risk of failure instead of all the others that had a guaranteed chance of failure.
I think you're looking at me too negatively. Can I also accuse you and ashlay of trying to Woobify the character, minimize her flaws, write about her mistakes in a passive voice to give the impression that it was all by accident, and insist her entire plan was completely correct and perfect because it worked? I actually don't think Hydaelyn is a villain in the traditional sense, although much suffering can be traced back to her and her decisions as can be traced back to the other Ascians. I just have noticed some people are extremely protective of her portrayal as The Big Good when it's clear that the game is saying she is just as flawed as Elidibus, Emet-Selch, Zodiark, etc. She even admits that she's flawed, but in the same vein as the original Venat, she sort of acts as though acknowledging her flaws is enough to absolve her when the game suggests otherwise. I think the game is trying to get across the point that ultimately her entire plan was an extremely risky maneuver that only worked because Azem/Warrior of Light pulled through. She was willing to put everyone in perpetual, endless, eternal suffering without their consent in the HOPE that her plan would work, and even then she had a back up plan that also might have failed and nothing she says suggests she would have lifted the cycle of suffering had Plan B been necessary. In the end Hydaelyn/Venat is a highly flawed being just as responsible for the mess of the world as the other Ascians are, just as capable of blinding herself, but we are given to view her differently because she had been actively presenting herself as 'the good guy' since the start so of course we would be more inclined to view her actions favorably since she had always been portrayed as 'good'. That's the gut punch of her character. That the Big Good is, in fact, just as cruel as the Ascians, just in a different way. She is a tragic character, a deeply flawed one, but that's what makes her a good character. Much like Emet-Selch, Hydaelyn is doing what she thought to be right, the difference being is that only after we actually get to know Emet-Selch does our opinion change from 'horrible monster' to 'tragic villain'. Hydaelyn's position also changes from 'Big Good' to 'Well Intentioned Extremist/Anti Villain/etc'.
Basically, Hydaelyn is like an abusive mom who insists that her abuse will make you stronger, and yeah maybe you do become physically stronger, perhaps you do develop a shell around your heart, but will the wounds on your soul ever really heal? Will you ever learn to trust or love again? You can hope, but hope will only do so much, and it doesn't change the fact that someone that was supposed to care for you abused you in the first place.
So I'm thinking of making a new page since the Allies section is getting crowded. I was planning to move all of the city-states related characters to their own tab, but I also wanted to include Dravania. Could I still call it "city-states", or what would be a better title?
Hide / Show RepliesI think "Additional Allies" would be better.
Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.Gosetsu's race - do we know for sure if he's a Hyur with a Roegadyn model? I just thought he was a Doman Roegadyn... there's nothing that says a Sea Wolf has to follow naming conventions if they're from a foreign land, or that there are no Roegadyn in the Far East.
Did you check the page history?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanAny chance someone can upload some photos of the characters who got clothing updates in Heavensward and an image for Tataru?
So in post Endwalker when you go to the neumenon with y'shtola, one of the books that you can read is an "untitled goldsmith's journal" that talks about the goldsmith in question finding a beautiful voidsent and falling in love with it. Given that Godbert is one of the more well known goldsmiths in the setting and considering some of the capabilities Julyan has shown, such as a purple aura of power and glowing red eyes, it seems to be implying that Julyan is actually a voidsent. What would be the proper trope to add to her entry for this?
Edited by Blissey1 XP granted for befriending a giant magical spider! Hide / Show Replies