Discussion Characters / AceAttorneyTheFeyClan

Okay, seriously Morgan's Dark and Troubled Past entry seems like borderline DILP treatment. Let's look at all the entry parts one by one.

• Dark and Troubled Past: Her first husband took her two daughters and left her due to her inferiority.

He married her for power in the first place. It's also unclear how much did she really care about him. She could very well be Gold Digger looking for his money.

• She was slightly inferior to Misty, even though she was older, and lost her position in line to be the next Master.

Slightly as in completely incapable of chanelling? Well given that this position is all about chanelling it's no wonder she lost it. Still it's less "her life sucked" and more "her life wasn't as good as she'd wish it to be"

• She later tried to get her own niece convicted of murder, which backfired and landed her in solitary confinement,

That's hardly her past, that's exacly what she did on-screen.

• her first daughter gets arrested and later executed,

Yeah, she did. But here's a thing. The daughter in question was someone Morgan never cared about.

• and her other daughter is accused of a murder.

AND WHOSE PLAN WAS IT TO FRAME HER?!?!?

• When is boils down to it, poor Morgan's life just plain sucks.

And 90% of this sucking was her own damn fault.

The problem with this trope is that the dark even in their past was supposed to shape who the person is, and most of what's here is not what shaped her but the result of what kind of person she was. In other words it doesn't fit this trope at all.

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• Silk Hiding Steel: Despite a demure and graceful outer appearance that almost never slips, Dahlia is amongst the most vindictive and relentless characters in the series when crossed, even pursuing her vendetta from beyond the grave.

Taken from Dahlia's section. Silk Hiding Steel is when elegance and politeness hides strength of character, not just bitchiness. while being this is certainly true for Iris i don't remember Dahlia ever displaying any strength. On the contrary she easily breaks under pressure, and at one point i remember her actually fainitng when situation was too much for her.

Man, Iris's section was a mess.

• Bad Liar: At pretending she doesn't know Phoenix. Even Edgeworth, a total stranger, can see she's hiding something. She didn't so much impersonate Dahlia as act like a differently-named version of herself.

During this talk Iris didn't even try to pretend she doesn't know Phoenix. This would've been pointless anyway since the first thing she asked was if Phoenix is ok, and Edge knew already they know each other(from Phoenix, not from her). Iris is at least capable enough to fool him for 8 months, even if it's only about a name, and when earlier she talked with Phoenix she only made one slip up(I Never Told You My Name). She's not exacly a Consummate Liar, but she doesn't suck either.

• Horrible Judge of Character: She doesn't fully understand just how terrible a person her sister Dahlia is.

Natter aside she knows EXACLY what kind of person Dahlia is, Iris is just way too kind for her own good, which is why she tried to help her, to be her Morality Pet.

• Last-Name Basis -> First-Name Basis: Once she finally confesses to Phoenix who she really is, she starts calling him "Feenie" like she used to.

If you read First-Name Basis description you'll see that this is about the switch, no need to point it out in trope names

• Love Martyr: Of the sibling kind. She remains supportive of Dahlia for a long time without much thanks.

I explained on the trope page discussion why she's Not An Example

• Metaphorically True: When Phoenix asks Iris if she ever attended Ivy University, she replies that she has no interest in secular academics...which isn't the same as saying "No, I never went to university." She did, but not for academic reasons and not officially, legally speaking.
  • Similarly, Iris tells Edgeworth that she could never kill anyone. By which she means (see Violently Protective Girlfriend below) that now- as in when the conversation is taking place, she has no reason to want anyone in her life killed...because Dahlia is long dead (by someone else's hand) at this point. She's using 'could' in its present tense and literally- she never had to kill Dahlia, because the opportunity was taken out of her hands, not because Iris herself was incapable- but Edgeworth assumes otherwise. Also, she helped Godot in his own murder attempt.

The word "metaphorically" is in the trope name for a reason, this isn't for when someone tells the truth and is misunderstood, even if that's what he intended, that's Exact Words. there is no double meaning, no interpration, she told the exact truth. The second is clear case od Alternative Character Interpretation

• Palette Swap: Of her identical twin sister Dahlia.

Not really, same face but completely different outfits, some sprites and animations are unique to one of them, even when Dahlia pretends to be Iris.

• Yamato Nadeshiko: Fits this trope to a tee.

The reason for removal of this was :"The YN trope is a lady with a "touch of iron" who protects her loved ones but can ultimately stand up for herself. Iris acts mostly when someone else pressures her to- she frequently has difficulty asserting herself."end quote. Except Iris does have this "touch of Iron". If you remember the scene when they were going to get Maya out of that cave Phoenix insisted to go with them despite Edge's objections and she was the voice of reason who told Phoenix that right now the most important thing is getting Maya to safety, not who will be present, not to mention her little "her life or mine" speech.

The number of years Phoenix has been dating Dahlia is actually EIGHT, not six. They met in Late August 2012(according to Ace Attorney Timeline) and were said to still be dating when the trial happened in Early April 2013. I shall fix it.

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I think the interpretation of channeling rule #3 is off. It currently says:

3) A spirit can only be channeled by one medium at a time; should multiple mediums attempt the channeling, the medium with the most spiritual power will be the one to have the spirit channeled; other mediums will fail their attempts.

I think it's whoever started channeling the spirit first, not who has the most power. Otherwise it's unlikely that Maya could have stopped Pearl from channeling someone.

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