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PaulA Since: Jan, 2010
14th Oct, 2016 09:21:52 PM

The way Everyone Is Gay is set up currently, you would note that as part of the FIM example in the Western Animation folder. It's a trope that only appears in fanfic, by definition, so if one example was listed under Fanfic they all would be.

(I'm a bit dubious about the way the page is set up, because it strikes me as encouraging 'examples' that just say "this happens a lot in fanfic" and don't cite any specific instances, but that's a discussion for another time.)

SamCurt Since: Jan, 2001
14th Oct, 2016 09:38:38 PM

A fanfic is considered a separate work from the source work. So a MLPFIM fanfic belongs to the Fan Fic folder, rather than Western Animation.

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Gideoncrawle Since: Dec, 2012
15th Oct, 2016 10:19:36 AM

No, it would go in the Western Animation folder. Everyone Is Gay is a fanfic trope, so a fanfic folder on the trope page would be redundant. On a work page, it would go on the fanfic's page, not the parent work's.

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Candi Since: Aug, 2012
15th Oct, 2016 07:51:34 PM

....?

There's fanfic folders on LOTS of trope pages. If there isn't one, you make it and put the fanfic examples there. Western Animation is for canon works.

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Orbiting Since: Nov, 2014
15th Oct, 2016 07:56:52 PM

What Gideoncrawle means is that Everyone Is Gay only applies to fanfiction, and so everything on that page can then be assumed to be fanfic, and that's why its all sorted on that page by what the source material of the fanfiction is; otherwise it'd all be in the same folder with no sorting at all.

Gideoncrawle Since: Dec, 2012
15th Oct, 2016 09:58:37 PM

Precisely. Per the Everyone Is Gay trope description, it's logically impossible for any canon work to be a valid example, because the trope is about how fanfic writers change canonical characterizations. Canon works and sanctioned derivatives fall under a different trope, namely Cast Full of Gay.

From what I've seen on this wiki, sorting examples into folders by the parent work's medium is standard practice on the pages of fanfic-only tropes.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
16th Oct, 2016 12:51:36 AM

... which strikes me as a bad idea, anyway.

How many examples of that trope in non-fanfic works are there? It may be that the description is too narrow.

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Fighteer MOD (Time Abyss)
17th Oct, 2016 08:08:15 AM

Everyone Is Gay is specifically about a high prevalence of gay characters in derivative works — this requires that there be a parent work, which excludes canon material by definition.

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Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
22nd Oct, 2016 01:37:04 PM

Bump... So, should there be changes or something? Or is this discussion being continued elsewhere?

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shigmiya64 Since: Jan, 2001
22nd Oct, 2016 04:07:06 PM

Why don't we just add the word "Fanfics" to every folder name? Anime & Manga Fanfics, Live Action Film Fanfics, etc.

PegasusKnightmare Since: Aug, 2016
23rd Oct, 2016 07:31:58 AM

Maybe "Everyone is Gay in Fanfics" would be a more clear name? I don't really see a lot of misuse, other than maybe a couple of yaoi anime that should probably go under Cast Fullof Gay.

Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
24th Oct, 2016 07:40:27 PM

Bump? I think this is still unresolved?

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