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I honestly think this trope needs a new name to avoid misuse.
Kick The Son Of A Bitch is about a character kicking the dog, but the dog also happens to be evil. The kicker doesn't have to be evil, but the act has to be one that's shown as dog-kicking.
I haven't seen the scene in question so I can't say for sure. But Beerus not being evil doesn't necessarily disqualify it.
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I thought the act has to be at least a character that can go over the edge, like Batman killing the Joker. The viewer my worry about Batman's mental health and how people may respond to the act, but everyone is happy the Joker died.
Another example is Gohan torturing Cell. We're worried for Gohan's sanity, but also feel that Cell does deserve to suffer.
Where do you get that aspect of it?
From the sound of it, I do think that this is more Pay Evil unto Evil, though.
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from the page:
- Kick the Son of a Bitch: While escaping from a bank heist gone sour, a couple of robbers gun down anyone who gets in their way. Among the victims, unbeknownst to them, is a certain pimp who was notoriously cruel to his prostitutes and recently managed to beat the rap for murdering one of them. He will not be missed.
- Pay Evil unto Evil: While escaping from a bank heist gone sour, a couple of robbers gun down anyone who gets in their way. One of the robbers spots a certain pimp he knows who is notoriously cruel to his prostitutes and recently managed to beat the rap for murdering one of them; figuring this is as good a time as any for revenge, he takes aim and shoots him.
Since Beerus knew Zamasu's crimes in full, this is definitively not Kick The Son Of A Bitch.
Edited by sailing101 Ye who would Tope Meaninglessness. Ye who ignore All We Have. I say to you You Shall Not Pass!
Aye, ^this. KTSOB is about the action and whether the perpetrator is deliberately punishing the victim.
If the perpetrator knows the victim deserves it and is deliberately punishing them, it's PEUE.
If the perpetrator doesn't know the victim deserves it, or their motivations are totally unrelated to whether the victim deserves it, it's KTSOB.
I'm marginally familiar with Beerus as a character, but I don't know enough about the scene itself to speak from experience. From what you've described, it sounds like a mild example of PEUE, not KTSOB.
Yes, this trope is about Kick the Dog when the target happens to be a scumbag itself.
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Hello,
There has been some disagreement on the the https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/DragonBallZMovieVillains
.
Namely, several tropers kept putting Beerus killing Zamasu under Kick The Son Of A Bitch. I erased it by three different tropers because the trope is about an evil or an extremely morally questionable character doing something that can be seen as a Kick the Dog, but since they are doing it to an Asshole Victim, it isn't seen as necessary a bad thing.
Zamasu is a a Jerkass God who was going to going to kill his master, therefore Beerus executed him. Beerus, although he can be a jerk at times, mellow out by this point in the series and isn't seen as an evil character or even morally grey character. What he did also falls under his job as God of Destruction.
What do you guys think?