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Yeah that shit ain't cool. Agree 100% with you
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Its definitely uncool, but im not entirely sure if we can debate DMOS entries on this basis.
Edited by WarJay77 Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
If nothing else (to be clear, I agree with the uncoolness of it), it’s violating our rules on First-Person Writing.
Edited by HMSquared
I definitely agree this isnt kosher and we should do something about it.
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This is just an extended first-person rant about how it's mean to judge people for using "bad language" when the language in question is actually bad to use and someone justifying it using South Park's idea that caring about language is stupid. I think the whole thing should be cut out.
I know more about obscure 1990s Middle Grade Literature novels than most people.
Also "cancel culture" is a massive dogwhistle.
I know more about obscure 1990s Middle Grade Literature novels than most people.
Re:Nethilia I like how OP used South Park as an example on why people should be allowed to say the R-word when South Park also said that the N-word is frowned upon because it hurts black people in a way white people will never understand because they don't have to experience the hardship and oppression that black people have to face. Said episode also makes it a point that if a slur against white people that was just as hurtful as the N-word existed, it would be banned.
I agree that the entry needs to go. The way I see it, Dethroning Moments aren't for soapboxing bad takes like this one.
Edited by supernintendo128 pee pee poo poo
man, that entry always rubbed me the wrong way whenever i read the DMOS pages (especially the 'cancel culture' dogwhistling) , but i never could bring it up somehow. kinda validating to see i'm not alone in thinking this entry has problems
Edited by worldwidewoomy Stan GaruKaru for clear skin
For the record, First-Person Writing says that first-person is allowed on certain parts of Darth Wiki, and I was under the impression that DMoS pages were part of that since they're specifically for personal opinions. I could be wrong though.
Re:willowleaf24 I don't think that's the issue. As for the issue of debating this as Warjay brought up, I think the issue is that OP used this PSA as a springboard to soapbox their inflammatory beliefs. It feels like they're ranting less about the PSA and more about how society has evolved in a way that's incompatible with their beliefs.
It's one thing when someone says "I don't like The Last of Us 2 because they killed off Joel and set Ellie off on a depressing revenge quest that amounts to her losing everything." It's another thing entirely to say "I don't like The Last of Us 2 because there's a gay kiss in it. What narrative reason is there for Ellie to be a lesbian? I have nothing against gay people but what's wrong with promoting heterosexuality like how we used to? I just don't like how the entertainment industry is trying to shove the gay agenda down our throats."
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I mean, its shitty for sure. But rule wise I genuinely don't know if we're allowed to remove entries for these kinds of reasons. It may violate our rules so I'm not gonna say it must be kept, however we should see what a mod says. (Though if it's down to consensus, then yeah, into the fire it goes)
That said, yeah, I think first person is allowed on DMOS
Edited by WarJay77 Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Personally I support keeping it. I would support keeping the hypothetical homophobic Last of Us DMoS, too. It seems unfair to delete an example that isn't violating any rules, however offensive or distasteful it may be, especially when the rules state that deleting or editing someone else's example is usually a rule violation itself.
Anyway, I would say that changing attitudes towards the word "retarded"note have less to do with the evolution of society than with the euphemism treadmill. Some of the people who are the most scrupulous about using PC language are also the most ableist in every other way.
Let's sidestep this whole issue. What we have here is a DMOS with no named work, and it's trying to either claim that the entire work is a DMOS, or that the work itself is a DMOS for the broadcaster. Neither one of those things is allowed, as far as I'm aware.
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.
To be fair, under that logic every commercial / PSA on that page would be disqualified since each advertisement is technically a standalone work.
Edit: I mean, the lack of a specific title may be an issue, but...
Edited by WarJay77 Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
I don't think there's a rule about going on unrelated personal rants in DMOS (though I feel like there should be, I've seen some ridiculous instances of it elsewhere as well, bordering in Troper Tales), but it does feel like bad form and I'd gladly support it being cut down. The tangent about their real life and South Park definitely feels unrelated.
And yeah, Advertising is kind of a tricky beast when it comes to standalone work rules in general. Some of them are the worst commercials of a certain campaign, though.
Though personal sidenote, as an autistic person with intrusive thoughts and moral anxiety: this entry's logic is harmful to people with OCD. Thinking a slur does not mean you agree with the slur or that you have to say the slur. The PSA is pretty clearly about using the slur given it's about how people see you. Equating saying a word willingly with thinking it unwillingly contributes to stigma against this sort of intrusive thought.
Edited by mightymewtron I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Now that you mention it, the entry does kind of veer into Troper Tales territory towards the end.
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This is a trope tales mascarading as a DMOS. Also this is not really a moment but a meta commentary on how saying a slur should be ok, not a moment in the narrative. This should be nuked.
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I agree. Any other thoughts?
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We REALLY need a mod now, we reached our limit, has anyone contacted them?
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Agreed with removal, for one thing, it’s not really a moment.
I don't think you needed mod intervention? You agreed the entry was inappropriate and wasn't a moment of a work but a personal rant.
Removed it.
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Let's talk about this moment on DethroningMoment.Advertising:
This feels less like a DMoS and more like a long rant by someone pissed off that it's not PC to use the R-word anymore, trying to justify it with their OCD, by saying there are normal words that sound like it (retardant, ritardando, brake retarder), and because they were taught not to use words like "stupid" and "shut up" in elementary school like most kids. That's like saying we shouldn't stigmatize the N-word because there are completely innocent words that sound like it like knickers, vinegar, and Nigeria. They complain that it doesn't say why it's bad to say the R-word, the commercial shouldn't have to spell it out to the viewer that the R-word was used as a slur towards the mentally (and sometimes physically) handicapped. It's pretty common knowledge by now. Am I alone in this?
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