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Dolph has had issues
with defending villains before.
Yeah uh their was kind of an issue he was having where he would outright whitewash villains. (Especially horrifically evil ones).
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Draco in Leather Pants, my favorite trope /s.
On a more serious note, I'd revert these changes and (if you get enough consensusnote ) cite this discussion.
Revert the changes.
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I support cutting it also.
I'm not sure what revisions you want to make here. Asshole Victim already got added back, and the Hate Sink (he's got too many Pet the Dog moments early on), Karmic Death (not sure what bifurcation has to do with his misdeeds), and Moral Myopia cuts seems pretty reasonable. I'd add back the Kick the Dog examples, those seem like a legit example of that trope.
They're still editing Stranger Things pages - should these be reverted as well?
^^ Well, the YMMV entries still need to be reverted unless we can prove its a popular opinion and not just DolphZ.
Additional entries also probably need reverting since they're still doing this.
Edited by Hello83433 CSP Cleanup Thread | All that I ask for ... is diamonds and dance floors
Speaking of whitewashing Jason Carver, there are also these entries on the recap page for Season 4, Episode 9:
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: Jason is similarly a divisive character, but he's an earnest young man trying to solve the murder of his girlfriend, who he genuinely cared about. He's not a zealot, and as the captain of the basketball team, he is compassionate. He's sensitive to Lucas being hesitant to go on the witch hunt. Yet with considerable character development, by this episode, he's apparently become unhinged and dies — but NOT actually because he became unhinged. He's just another random victim of 001.
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: Any hint of the Hellfire Club and Jason’s crew working together is thrown out the window because of the latter gang acting like zealous vigilantes.
Aside from the fact that these examples blatantly lionize Jason while downplaying his consistently bigoted and violent behavior, I'm also pretty sure that they're misuse, since "They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character/Plot" refers to potentially interesting characters or plot points being underdeveloped or not getting enough exposure. These are just complaints about Jason being portrayed as a villain and not redeeming himself in the end.
Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses.
Suspended since villain whitewashing is still a problem, and locking since this query got long.
Edited by GastonRabbit Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
For the past week, this troper has made a number of questionable edits regarding Season 4 of Stranger Things. They’ve added a number of entries whitewashing Jason Carver, while cutting or re-writing other entries to put him in a more favorable light, either claiming his actions were justified (such as not believing Lucas because he “sounded insane”), claiming his worse actions were accidental, or blaming only his followers for things they did even though Jason was the leader. They also cut several tropes from his character page (such as Asshole Victim and Karmic Death) and said in the edit reason that they were Ron the Death Eater. They also added an entry to the show’s YMMV page saying the roller rink scene is “often considered one of the worst in the show” when I’m not aware of anyone else saying this, and it seems to simply be that person’s opinion.
Edited by Javertshark13