Fire Emblem

I like Peri as comedy relief. I find her entertaining and funny.

However, that leads to the problem that's she's basically a cartoon character in a 'verse that's otherwise supposed to have semi-serious characters. It makes Xander seem out-of-character for tolerating her, Laslow out-of-character for befriending her, and anyone who marries her is essentially abetting a serial killer.

I like her and wouldn't want to get rid of her, but I acknowledge that there's a weird sort of dissonance. It breaks the Willing Suspension of Disbelief that anyone would tolerate her being free, let alone armed with a weapon and serving in the army.

Programming something like that for one character's ending would be super-easy. Even I could do it. You'd just set a flag to trigger upon viewing that conversation, and when the ending rolls around do a simple if-else statement that checks for that flag. Any reason for not doing that would be a non-programming-related matter, such as consistency or the effort of actually writing tons of alternate text.

edited 24th Apr '17 12:48:00 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

Here's the main thing though; is that the actual ending between those two from the original version, or did the Treehouse take creative liberties with it like they did with Saizo's and Beruka's C-Rank Support?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!

The "curious string of missing-person cases" ends when Laslow and Peri's vanish, because Peri isn't in Fatelandsia anymore.

edited 24th Apr '17 12:48:41 PM by BlackSunNocturne

Oh, for fuck's sake. Can people stop acting like the original version of Fates was a masterpiece and all of its faults must be because of Treehouse?

I'm not trying to defend their more questionable choices, but it was always shit and it still would be shit no matter how well they polished it.

edited 24th Apr '17 12:50:12 PM by Perseus

Trans rights are human rights.

Exactly. There was a curious case of missing persons cases that ended around the same time Peri vanished from the records. We're given no reason to assume that she changed once she got to Ylisse.

100% agreed. I am tired of people excommunicating the localization because it's not a 100% Cut And Paste Translation of the original. Am I saying it's perfect? No, of course not. No game or piece of writing is.

But it's not the spawn of Satan that people tend to treat it as. Then again, I experienced the "localization" of Breath of Fire II, and Fates localization is nowhere near that...

Though I can understand the ending not changing because it's already pre-written, but in that case, making Peri act reformed seems like more of an afterthought than anything. That conversation with Laslow exists in the base game, and yet, her ending still has her murdering people. If they really intended for her to change, why not insert it in the ending itself?

edited 24th Apr '17 12:52:38 PM by ILikeRobots

Adventurers: homeless people who steal from tombs and kill things.

Tone down the hostility. I don't think they were treating the original Japanese Fates as a masterpiece whose faults were only because of Treehouse localization.

edited 24th Apr '17 12:51:48 PM by dragonfire5000

Uhhh...

Saizo: ....
Beruka: ...
Saizo: ....
Beruka: ...
Saizo and Beruka achieved Rank C Support

Let's face it. Fates had a lot of issues, but Treehouse didn't help them

All of Laslow's wives also disappear with him.

And no, the sentence means "the string of missing-persons cases ends when Peri disappears"

edited 24th Apr '17 12:51:44 PM by BlackSunNocturne

Forgive me, I'm just sick to death of obnoxious purists.

edited 24th Apr '17 12:59:24 PM by Perseus

Trans rights are human rights.

And like what has been said before, the original version actually had a conversation happen between those two which gets brought up in future Supports; it's still referenced in the English version, even though said conversation was cut out completely in order to make a joke.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!

i have no strong feelings towards treehouse's localization other than the fact that the original was just as bad, if not worse (since there was certainly numerous stuff that was improved), than treehouse's localization.

Like, 99.9% of all content is exactly the same between the two.

edited 24th Apr '17 12:55:39 PM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae

Uh, that means she right up until she disappeared with Laslow, she was still killing.

edited 24th Apr '17 12:55:31 PM by RangerJackWalker

Beside! The! Point!

Thank you.

Trans rights are human rights.

x5 And I'm sick to death of people whining about Fire Emblem games and bringing negativity to this forum in general, so I can understand your frustrations. Still, remember that it's best to be civil on the forum.

edited 24th Apr '17 12:56:54 PM by dragonfire5000

Also,

Awakening let us recruit dudes like Henry, Gangrel, and Walhart, the latter of whom clearly feels the only wrong he's committed is losing, and they all have large fanbases. Singling Peri out for having a vag is neither well-founded nor fair.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

x4: I'm chalking that up to developer laziness and only giving every character one ending that gets mashed together with another character's rather than it actually meaning anything.

edited 24th Apr '17 12:57:26 PM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae

What I find funny is that the vast majority of Fire Emblem games that have been localized have had just as many drastic changes from the original version as Fates and Awakening, but only those games (and especially Fates) get flak for having been "ruined by the localization." It's tiresome, to say the least.

I mean, fan translations do a lot of good, but at the same time, they cause so many flame wars and arguments...

edited 24th Apr '17 12:57:24 PM by ILikeRobots

Adventurers: homeless people who steal from tombs and kill things.

This game series seems to cause a whole bunch of flame wars and pointless arguments in general. Hell, this forum is pretty much the only place where I frequently engage in Fire Emblem discussions (not counting real life discussions with friends I actually meet in person).

Henry was never really a bad guy, in all honesty. He was just kind of weird, operating on Blue-and-Orange Morality, fascinated by Body Horror and things, but not really dangerous to people outside of those he met on the battlefield.

I think it was implied that the worst he did was take revenge on his village at a young age for killing off his wolf friend? Peri is far worse because she takes her rage out on people that did nothing to her.

Plus, he's just plain hilarious. I love that guy, haha.

Adventurers: homeless people who steal from tombs and kill things.

Treehouse has localised all the Fire Emblem games except Shadow Dragon, Awakening and Shadows of Valentia (which are 8-4's work). Treehouse's work has ranged from merely acceptable, ie, lacking flaws or merit (The Blazing Blade and The Sacred Stones) to bad (Path of Radiance, Radiant Dawn and Fates).

To elaborate of the latter, spelling mistakes, inconsistent translations (Sephiran's dukedom has been called 3-4 different things throughout Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn, Deghinsea/Dheginsea, among other things), removal of mechanics (Fates needs no explanation but there's also Maniac Mode from Path of Radiance), removal of scripts (Radiant Dawn's extended script which has some pretty fucking important details as I recall, Fates' Saizo-Beruka, etc), trying to cut out Heather's sexuality, etc.

edited 24th Apr '17 1:08:07 PM by RangerJackWalker

@Anomalocaris: Gangrel at least has a proper Heel–Face Turn during his recruitment and both his support chains with Robin. Plus, his Hot Springs Scramble conversation with Emmeryn also shows it.

The man was force-fed an entire Humble Pie after you beat him, and he actually goes through a massive spiral of self-loathing and actually makes an endeavor to better himself.

While I will never understand why they cut the extended script in the harder difficulties of Radiant Dawn, and renamed "Hard" mode to "Normal" (fooling many an impressionable youth like myself into jumping right into the mode meant for experts of the series) what exactly about Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn's localization makes them bad? They're perfectly fine to me, and get across the well-written (for the most part) characters and plot.

As for Fates, I'm not even going to address that one. Enough has been said about it.

edited 24th Apr '17 1:13:38 PM by ILikeRobots

Adventurers: homeless people who steal from tombs and kill things.

I edited my post with elaboration.

A few minor inconsistencies in the script being enough to call a localization bad? I highly, highly disagree. Like I said, look at Breath of Fire II. That is what you call a bad localization, to the point that it's plain incomprehensible a lot of the time. While there are still some choices I don't understand and don't agree with (cutting that extended script...), I think Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn had great localizations that got across the characters and story just fine.

Spelling mistakes and inconsistencies in scripts happen in every game. And Cut And Paste Translations that flow and feel natural are downright impossible.

edited 24th Apr '17 1:12:29 PM by ILikeRobots

Adventurers: homeless people who steal from tombs and kill things.

@ILikeRobots: Henry's not as dangerous as Peri, yeah. He's not as good an example as the latter two, but the point I was making is that the deranged sociopaths have fanbases regardless of their gender.

RJW said that Peri wouldn't have as large a fanbase if she weren't a woman, when we see that similar male characters still have large fanbases.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!