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MajorTom Eye'm the cutest! Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#8626: Jun 15th 2016 at 7:28:38 PM

Lee-Enfield actions are smooth like butter and quick as hell. Just like how Mosin actions are RUSSIA STRONK and all but unbreakable.

"Allah may guide their bullets, but Jesus helps those who aim down the sights."
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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#8627: Jun 15th 2016 at 7:39:32 PM

Yep, the Battlefield 3 SKS uses Tapco furniture.

I can't find any reviews of it, though. All I can find are anecdotes on how it works or doesn't work (apparently the plastic used really isn't the best) on survivalist forums. I'd prefer to build one on a Norinco one instead of a Yugo SKS.

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#8628: Jun 15th 2016 at 7:42:02 PM

[up][up]I haven't heard of any USMC scout/snipers complaining about their Remington 700 actions — which is the heart of the M40 sniper rifle.

edited 15th Jun '16 7:50:22 PM by pwiegle

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MajorTom Eye'm the cutest! Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#8629: Jun 15th 2016 at 7:48:44 PM

Marines don't use the M24 SWS. Army does or rather used to before upgrading to the M2010 Enhanced Sniper Rifle (ESR).

Instead the jarheads get stuck with the punier M40. (No seriously, the M40 action isn't built for higher pressures and loads than .308 but the M24/M2010 one was originally built for a match grade magnum version of .30-06 and beyond so it can be used with more powerful stuff like .300 Winchester Magnum.)

"Allah may guide their bullets, but Jesus helps those who aim down the sights."
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#8630: Jun 15th 2016 at 7:55:49 PM

Okay, my bad. Edited previous post.

Still, my point being: the Lee-Enfield action is a poor choice by comparison. The Indian-made Ishapore Enfields have improved metallurgy to use 7.62 NATO, and yet still aren't recommended for commercial .308 Winchester hunting loads.

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#8631: Jun 15th 2016 at 8:33:27 PM

The M-40 is directly based off of the Remington 700 or rather the original and the A1 were. However they use the Remington Short Action. The original M-40 was just a straight out of the box Remington 700 series rifle. The only thing the A1 changed was the stock was replaced with fiber glass and the scope mount was adjusted to accept the Unertl 10X scopes. They also gave it a butt pad and some sling swivels but those are hardly serious changes. The A3 has a lot of new bits. A new stock system that has adjustable cheek rest, bipods, a new barrel, and new optics and mounting systems to accommodate said optics.

The A5 changes the barrel again so it can take suppressors and has had changes made to accept yet more ranges of optics. The A6/A7 has a new folding stock system and a new optics rail.

The Marine Scout Snipers wanted the Mk 21 Precision Sniper Rifle chambered in .338 Lapua to alleviate some issues of 7.62mm NATO at its max effective range. The officials of the corps went nah we don't want to pay for the bullets or to train our snipers to shoot even farther. Even though they receive training on weapons like the Barret to do just that.

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#8632: Jun 15th 2016 at 9:02:07 PM

Lee-Enfield action is the fastest bolt action on the planet. Cocks on closing unlike the Mauser and nearly every other bolt action rifle design on the planet that ripped it off. Plus it's easy to see if the thing's actually cocked as that bit at the back of the bolt sticks out proud if it is.

And given Remington's current woes, I wouldn't touch a Model 700 with a barge-pole.

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#8633: Jun 15th 2016 at 10:10:11 PM

I hate to tell you there is nothing special about the Enfield's action in terms of speed. One of the variety of Mauser actions cocks on close as well and another has cock on bolt turn. Some rifles cock on open. It doesn't really do anything for against speed of operation of the user. Speed of bolt operation is purely down to practice just like any other manual action fire arm on the planet.

Two things helped the Enfield. Consistent training in rapid operation of the rifles action and the higher capacity internal magazine.

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pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#8634: Jun 16th 2016 at 3:24:21 AM

I was just using The Remington 700 as an example, as it was the first commercial action that came to my mind. You don't like Remingtons? That's fine, pick something else, there are dozens of choices available.

I don't dislike Lee-Enfields per se, but it's not some magic be-all and end-all of bolt-actions. There are better choices out there to build a custom rifle on.

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AFP Since: Mar, 2010
#8635: Jun 16th 2016 at 4:47:56 AM

Watching some videos about the Long Recoil action, and man that seems like a complicated way to cycle a weapon.

Rosvo1 Since: Aug, 2009
#8636: Jun 16th 2016 at 4:54:55 AM

Yeah, Ian did a vid a while back on the Mars pistols and those are incredibly complex.

TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#8637: Jun 16th 2016 at 5:59:10 AM

Practice with the Lee-Enfield action is something that you young whippersnappers seem to have forgotten I have plenty of. [lol].

Anyway, with the Lee-Enfield we won two World Wars and the first British European Cup. [lol] (Scottish person here, so that phrase had to be modified)

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#8638: Jun 16th 2016 at 1:05:59 PM

Gee, I wasn't aware that 46 years old was still young enough to be considered a whippersnapper... whatever that is. tongue

*blows bubble gum and pedals away on a bicycle*

edited 16th Jun '16 1:45:57 PM by pwiegle

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#8639: Jun 16th 2016 at 1:49:53 PM

Hey I will have you know I have had concertina wire bails in my yard for years to keep out those pesky kids.

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#8640: Jun 16th 2016 at 3:22:39 PM

[up][up]Oh, finally, someone older than me. Well, that admits to it anyway. tongue

I guess the main reason I would go for a Lee-Enfield build rather than anything else, apart from the reasons I already think are valid enough for my purposes, would be sentimental. I love the SMELLIE. And I'd never get a license to own a SLR in this glorious gun free country seeing as how I have no ambitions to be a licensed firearms dealer. But I don't love the clothing the action's dressed up in. If I got an Ishapore I'd do the exact same thing, as well as binning the frankly idiotic original placement of the rear sight - one of the many things the Number 4 fixed.

Besides, the Mausers and the Remingtons of the world don't sing to me.

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#8641: Jun 16th 2016 at 3:36:37 PM

I'm in complete agreement with you on the rear sight. But I'm at that age where the eyes are beginning to go. I've worn glasses since the fifth grade, but now I find I need bifocals. So if I have to use iron sights on a rifle, peep sights or ghost rings are the way to go, instead of a rear notch.

And I figured there might be some sort of legal/financial/logistical obstruction that limits you to working with what you've got...

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#8642: Jun 16th 2016 at 4:00:52 PM

Oh there's a couple of those, but they're not too insurmountable, I hope. I just think learning how to shoot properly with full-bore rifles would be an interesting way of going through middle age, and keeping me from being in the office or house all day. And like I've implied, I miss the SMELLIE.

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#8643: Jun 16th 2016 at 4:09:16 PM

Tam: How do they view the black powder style muzzle loaders?

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#8644: Jun 16th 2016 at 4:44:34 PM

Not sure, I'd have to google that relevant legislation. It's pretty hard to totally deactivate a black powder weapon so...

edit. Seems they'd be covered by the Shotgun and/or Firearm version of the Section One Firearms Certificate

edited 16th Jun '16 4:46:44 PM by TamH70

AngelusNox The law in the night from somewhere around nothing Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#8645: Jun 25th 2016 at 11:06:45 AM

THE BAYANEEET! KILL KILL KILL!

edited 25th Jun '16 8:44:50 PM by AngelusNox

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pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#8646: Jun 25th 2016 at 3:27:59 PM

[up]How do I Trope thee? Let me count the ways...

Drill Sergeant Nasty, Axe-Crazy, Violent Glaswegian, No Indoor Voice, Angrish, Brits With Bayonets... I could go on for an entire page.

This guy reminds me of the RSM in Back to School Mr. Bean, who shouted orders at his troops in a strangled, high-pitched falsetto voice, combined with Robin William's impression of a drunken, incomprehensible Scotsman.

edited 25th Jun '16 3:45:17 PM by pwiegle

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#8647: Jun 25th 2016 at 3:45:10 PM

That vid was pretty amusing. Reminds me of bayonet training in the corps only a bit more crazy and the guys doing the training haven't shouted themselves hoarse.

edited 25th Jun '16 4:02:36 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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MajorTom Eye'm the cutest! Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#8648: Jun 25th 2016 at 4:31:27 PM

Are we sure this guy wasn't reconstructed from Imperial Japanese Banzai chargers? [lol]

And then they committed THE MOST GRIEVOUS SIN OF ALL NUMBNUTS! THEY HAD THEIR HANDS ON THE PISTOL GRIP! KEEP! YOUR! DAMN! HANDS! OFF! THE! PISTOL! GRIP!!!!!!!!!! /US Army bayonet training

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#8650: Jun 26th 2016 at 8:15:20 PM

Well they're not exactly wrong, most of those would probably end up on the black market eventually.

Oh really when?

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