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sorako Since: Oct, 2012
#80526: Apr 19th 2015 at 4:28:13 PM

But she didn't let him go. Touta's allies chased her off.

But she still just decided to wait an entire year to attack him again instead of trying to get the job done. And for some reason, she's going to challenge him in a fair fight in the tournament he was going to enter anyway.

That wouldn't be weird coming from a Worthy Opponent or a Noble Demon, but this is an Ax-Crazy psycho who blows up malls for the hell of it.

SkormSnow-Strider Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#80527: Apr 19th 2015 at 4:33:55 PM

Hence why I figure she's going to end up causing a inter-world incident that ends up with a lot of people dead and the worlds pissed off at each other.

...and she'll still probably get the Fate treatment.

sorako Since: Oct, 2012
#80528: Apr 19th 2015 at 4:37:09 PM

Oh come on, we all know that even if that happens that annoying Miss Reset Button will undo everything. After all, the world can turn into shit, but the oh-so-great immortals can't suffer consequences. It already happened with that stupid zombie apocalypse.

edited 19th Apr '15 4:39:07 PM by sorako

SkormSnow-Strider Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#80529: Apr 19th 2015 at 4:48:16 PM

I think she'll either be iced, unable to (Though I can't fathom why), or flat out killed in the process, because drama.

Shes really the perfect candidate to go through with something like that. No one else is deranged enough to go through with it. Lifemaker could in theory, but (s)he's not that bad I think.

edited 19th Apr '15 4:50:21 PM by SkormSnow-Strider

sorako Since: Oct, 2012
#80530: Apr 19th 2015 at 4:51:47 PM

If that little brat gets killed off for real, please let me know, I would definitely read that.

Hyp3rB14d3 Since: Jan, 2001
#80531: Apr 19th 2015 at 5:16:00 PM

Ever seen the game genie quick save video?

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#80532: Apr 19th 2015 at 6:39:41 PM

Well, if Kirie's ever killed off, it'll have to happen off panel, because Akamatsu can't actually kill characters *and* actually show it. Hell, even getting him to make clear they are supposed to be dead is a prowess on itself.

WorldTurtle2 Since: Jan, 2015
#80533: Apr 19th 2015 at 7:01:10 PM

Pactios & Artifacts: I wish we learned more about them they seem so fascinating. A translation of the first page of Nodoka's Artifact for example gives us an idea of their origins:

"This book was created in 1459, the masterpiece of (blocked) Shantoto. Its purpose was to act as an aid to (blocked) and his magi, and can also be used as an art (blocked) in the hands of one who would abuse the power."

"A legendary grimoire, registered #16784638 in the World Pactio Organisation Literary Archive"

The Artifacts just aren't made out of thin air. Someone makes them which begs such questions as can two people have the same Artifact? Though who thought Gymnastic Equipment would make great Improbable Weapons? Maybe its like a "skin" feature and their appearance is modified to fit the user's preferred look?

Another thing: If the Artifacts are made by someone, maybe there just isn't an Artifact for every Pactio Card?

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#80534: Apr 19th 2015 at 7:02:25 PM

Well, we know Chachamaru's Artifact was made by Chao, but Chachamaru's a special case in more than one sense.

EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Fandom Heretic
#80535: Apr 19th 2015 at 7:03:36 PM

Here's my response to that:

If Artifacts were once created by men, then it stands to reason that men could one day create them again.

And if a mind-reading book can be created once - availability of resources notwithstanding - then it can be created more than once.

SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#80536: Apr 19th 2015 at 7:08:09 PM

The mind-reading capabilities aren't all unusual. Remember, both Godel and Rakan uses mind-reading magic to make their little Ala Rubra Movies. And Nodoka's book isn't perfect. Absolutely thinking you're someone else manages to block it. It's still a one-of-a-kind Masterpiece as opposed to a mass-production gadget like the age pills.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#80537: Apr 19th 2015 at 7:13:37 PM

Hell, even Negi, back when he was a noob, could read minds as well, even if he, unlike Nodoka, needed actual physical contact for it.

Cganale Since: Dec, 2010
#80538: Apr 19th 2015 at 8:02:11 PM

-Just was kind of skimming things and not paying attention until he saw SHANTOTO mentioned in reference to Nodoka's artifact-

GFDI, Akamatsu's collaborating with SE now?

SkormSnow-Strider Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#80539: Apr 19th 2015 at 8:18:17 PM

Nodokas artifact was feared even among CE, and is probably something even good mages cant whip up due to its utility and scope of its power. Same with Natsumi's.

That said, replicas aren't implausible...but we only have a shoddy knock off of Asuna's to go by, which was directly stated to be based off of. Given its wielded, we dont know who made it in the first place.

SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#80540: Apr 19th 2015 at 10:45:29 PM

Was doin research on 2814 Tamamo-No-Mae and found this. The mystery of the Headmaster's identity and why his head is like that is revealed!

rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#80542: Apr 19th 2015 at 11:04:40 PM

You're telling me that's not Konoemon?

rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#80543: Apr 19th 2015 at 11:09:50 PM

Sketch artists musta got the wrong guy.

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#80544: Apr 20th 2015 at 2:20:41 AM

Pactios & Artifacts: I wish we learned more about them they seem so fascinating. A translation of the first page of Nodoka's Artifact for example gives us an idea of their origins: "This book was created in 1459, the masterpiece of (blocked) Shantoto. Its purpose was to act as an aid to (blocked) and his magi, and can also be used as an art (blocked) in the hands of one who would abuse the power." "A legendary grimoire, registered #16784638 in the World Pactio Organisation Literary Archive" The Artifacts just aren't made out of thin air. Someone makes them which begs such questions as can two people have the same Artifact? Though who thought Gymnastic Equipment would make great Improbable Weapons? Maybe its like a "skin" feature and their appearance is modified to fit the user's preferred look? Another thing: If the Artifacts are made by someone, maybe there just isn't an Artifact for every Pactio Card?

Generally agreed, but it's stated that the artifacts summoned are just magical replicas of the original. So, there shouldn't be anything stopping more than one person from getting the same artifact. In fact, this is heavily implied by Fate who calls some artifacts "rare", implying that some are assigned more commonly than others. (Fate also made Shiori's original artifact)

Presumably, to qualify as an artifact, it has to be a work of genius in some form. (Presumably knockoffs could be made afterwards though if it's discovered how the original was made)

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#80545: Apr 20th 2015 at 2:36:22 AM

So, there shouldn't be anything stopping more than one person from getting the same artifact. In fact, this is heavily implied by Fate who calls some artifacts "rare", implying that some are assigned more commonly than others. (Fate also made Shiori's original artifact)
Alternatively, artifacts are "reserved" for whoever is the owner of the Pactio that the artifact is currently assigned to, and "rarity" is just about how likely is it that an artifact would be assigned to any "compatible" ministra. Take Natsumi's artifact, for instance; Fate says that it has never been seen for centuries. That seems pretty damn rare, even when taking into account the whole "not every Pactio results in an artifact" thing.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Hyp3rB14d3 Since: Jan, 2001
#80546: Apr 20th 2015 at 6:00:57 AM

That could just be that some artifacts require certain circumstances to be used. For example, Kotaro is an eastern mage, not a western mage, and eastern mages do not usually form pactios.

SkormSnow-Strider Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#80547: Apr 20th 2015 at 8:47:03 AM

Certain circumstances, decree of whatever spirits govern over it, the artifacts themselves choosing who to appear to perhaps, unique artifacts that seem to have been made for a specific individual (Asuna's, Chacha's trigger, maybe Shiori's), so on and so forth. Calling it a divine mystery is apt.

[up][up][up]I'm assuming Natsumi's artifact is the lorgnette itself, which was invented around the early 18th century IIRC, so it only had about three hundred years to be around. Interestingly, Fate recognized it on sight, so it actually may be a pretty infamous artifact in magical circles.

Given its power though, do you think there'd be many chances to see it in the first place?

edited 20th Apr '15 8:57:31 AM by SkormSnow-Strider

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#80548: Apr 20th 2015 at 9:09:16 AM

It's more likely Fate recognizes its power than its looks.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
SkormSnow-Strider Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#80549: Apr 20th 2015 at 9:20:32 AM

He had no idea how they got up there until he looked directly at Natsumi (and referring to it by name), so he'd probably have to know what it was on the first place. Like I said, it must be pretty famous for someone realize what it was that quickly.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#80550: Apr 20th 2015 at 10:26:53 AM

To be fair, Fate is much better versed at magic knowledge, even the most unusual types of it, than the average mage. I wouldn't be shocked if he knows even more than Negi does. On a few areas, I'd even peg him as more likely to be knowledgeable than Evangeline herself, who seems much more laid back and indolent at learning about stuff that wouldn't report a short term benefit to her.

edited 20th Apr '15 10:28:29 AM by NapoleonDeCheese


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