The Total Drama series

No,. Chris the best villain in the Total Drama series and I ship him with Chef.

Well that's practically canon IMHGO.

Yeah, it's not like she, in the first season, was a bully who abused her teammates(mostly mental abuse)? Oh yes. She did. For the whole first season, that was how she acted.

Mental Abuse? HUH? I didn't see her teammates suffering from that at all.

Courtney willingly shuts people out simply from personal dislike- very clear in the first season, with her treating a then innocent Harold worse than DUNCAN did.

Er, how? But not allowing him to compete in certain challenges because she thinks he'd be useless...just like everyone else on the team thought he'd be? Harold is the Butt-Monkey, of course he'd be shut out. Admittedly, it's stupid that they had to repeat this kind of thing twice in a row (the Dodgeball episode and then the Talent Show one), but still, it wasn't nearly as bad as bullying him like Duncan did. I don't know where Courtney haters get the "treating Harold worse than Duncan" thing, but I suspect it's their way of justifying Harold getting her unfairly elliminated. Even though that was shown to be solely to get back at DUNCAN.

Courtney isn't a harsh coach or a leader- she's a bully that expects everything to play by her rules. And she was that from the very beginning, though yes, she did get worse in TDA.

I didn't see any of the Killer Bass treating her like a bully though, they all seemed to accept that she was indeed a leader. A very harsh, pushy leader who wanted to get things done right but still a leader. Just because you don't agree with how she did things doesn't mean the actual characters minded that much, especially considering their team did get weaker after she was eliminated.

And I cannot for the life of me see how one could defend TDA. Each and every character was hit with big-time Character Derailment (with Duncan, Harold, Lindsey, and Justin suffering least). Courtney had about two moments to shine in that series (when she got Owen and Justin elliminated, because they deserved it) but most of the time, she just wasn't the same character I knew and loved from TDI because the writers were clumsily foisting her into the "Heather" role.

@HSRW 101: I agree with your post and want you to know that I love Courtney and think she Needs More Love too. All the characters are over-the-top with their flaws; why should Courtney get the most hate for it?

edited 26th Jul '10 2:34:28 PM by ManwiththePlan

@Manwiththe Plan: Thank you very much ^^, I know not everyone has to like Courtney, but making her the sole target of hate in the show is pointless, its just that kind of action that in my book, can be placed under "Hatedom". Ever since TDA, I always feel like I'm one of the few people I know who'd actually defend Courtney's character, which also resulted in this http://twisted-persona.deviantart.com/art/Commission-Man-After-Midnight-143845446

And in all honestly, you might call me crazy but I actually prefer TDA compared to TDI, mostly because the challenges actually seem more interesting and characters are fleshed out a bit more whereas TDI, while still carries a special place in our hearts, just feels slow to me now, but most shows always start out slow in their first season so that's understandable. Honestly, I think its just the way I look at it is that when you think about it, even for a satire, games like that can always bring out the worse in people, and also some of their actions even relates to some from 6teen. And my best support for this is Trent, what happened that lead him to his..."moments" and break up was in a way, similar to what happened with Wyatt when he was dating Serena, though of course, Gwen broke up with Trent in a respectable manner compared to Serena using text messaging to end a relationship.

Plus my other guess is that compared to TDI where they were trying to get us familiar with each of the characters, TDA was trying to beef up the challenges and bring more quality to how far everyone will go to get the prize. I mean at least the show wasn't run by a real live version of Ned Flanders where everyone gets along and nobody loses. (BOOOOOOORING) But you get my point. Though, my other guess is that maybe they used with what they experimented with in TDI and TDA and combined all that for TDWT. All in all though, we can just still enjoy the show for what it is and for our own reasons, and if anyone watches it just to bitch, then they can *redneck accent* GET OUT.

The above poster wins my respect.

"Mental Abuse? HUH? I didn't see her teammates suffering from that at all."

Just because they aren't susceptible does not change the facts. If I hit you in the face with a golf club, and you somehow healed within seconds, does that change the fact that I hit you? No.

"Er, how? But not allowing him to compete in certain challenges because she thinks he'd be useless...just like everyone else on the team thought he'd be?"

Except the team, at several points supports Harold participating in the challenges. Courtney, and at times Duncan are the only ones against it.

She systematically shuts him out from everything.

"Harold is the Butt Monkey, of course he'd be shut out. Admittedly, it's stupid that they had to repeat this kind of thing twice in a row (the Dodgeball episode and then the Talent Show one), but still, it wasn't nearly as bad as bullying him like Duncan did."

It was far worse. I've been subjected to both kinds of bullying. Duncan's the kind you get up from and can stand. It's physical bullying. Which you can stand up to.

Courtney's way of bullying undermines your self-worth and makes you feel useless and lonely. You can't stand up to this because it isn't done directly.

Humans are pack animals. Shutting someone out of the "pack" for no reason is one of the worst things you can do to a person.

Far worse than all the wedgies in the world.

I stood up to the Physical abuse and they laid off(and if they didn't, I could have brought my friends- some of the fittest people at school, or my father or the teacher).

The shunning and verbal abuse? Tried to. Kept on for half a year, at which point the bullies had grown out of it and said sorry. I know the bullies- they're nice people. I've forgiven them. But that feeling of being worthless? I haven't forfotten.

And before you start, no, I was not subjected to both at the same time.

" I don't know where Courtney haters get the "treating Harold worse than Duncan" thing, but I suspect it's their way of justifying Harold getting her unfairly elliminated. "

It was an unfair elimination per se, but she sure as **** deserved it. Karma and all that.

"And I cannot for the life of me see how one could defend TDA. Each and every character was hit with big-time Character Derailment (with Duncan, Harold, Lindsey, and Justin suffering least)."

Again, Courtney's derailment was relatively minor. Try proving me wrong on that.

And one of your arguments is completely void. Justin did not at all suffer. He got NO derailment. He got development.

TDA was still crappy and full of derailing, but again, Courtney got little of it.

"@HSRW 101: I agree with your post and want you to know that I love Courtney and think she Needs More Love too. All the characters are over-the-top with their flaws; why should Courtney get the most hate for it? "

Because some people just can't stand bullies? Espescially the whiny kind. I dislike Duncan's general personality, but his wit and sarcasm? Very good.

Courtney and Duncan's fanbases are both bloated- Duncan has the biggest fanbase out there, so I don't see how Courtney can possibly "need more love".

who do you guys think will be the final two?

My money's on Cody and Heather

Tonight's episode was awesome.

Total Drama Series: SRS business.

Does anyone else think that tonight's episode was very fetish fuel-y?

I'm probably going to be the only one here who's going to feel sorry for Sierra when Cody rejects her over affectionate advances

edited 27th Jul '10 1:42:59 AM by truteal

And I am officially scared s***less of Sierra.

Great episode, though.

It was an unfair elimination per se, but she sure as **** deserved it. Karma and all that.

That still doesn't justify what Harold did. He himself admitted it was wrong later on.

Again, Courtney's derailment was relatively minor. Try proving me wrong on that.

You honestly think she was Heather 2.0 in TDI, huh?

And one of your arguments is completely void. Justin did not at all suffer. He got NO derailment. He got development.

I included him in those who suffered least because of that. He still suffered from the writers not knowing what to do with him.

Because some people just can't stand bullies?

That's the impression I get to you; you've been traumatized so much by real life bullies that you can't stand them in a CARTOON. To which I say...chill.

And really, I doubt most people could stand real life psychopaths. And yet Izzie is still very popular. Why? Because she's over the top and funny with it. Same with the other characters like Courtney.

@HSRW 101: Another problem I had with TDA aside from the Character Derailment were the challenges. They were way too much about spoofing movie genres than about spoofing reality TV. And the way the episodes were paced didn't help. I perfered it in TDI where there was an ellimination in every episode.

@RWB: Seriously man, calm down. You're acting like if Courtney was the worst thing you ever saw on your life. And just because of what you went through, doesn't justify hating a fictional character that has done NOTHING to you. You are entitled to your opinion but please tone it down.

@Manwiththe Plan: Actually, for the movie challenges, if you wanna blame anything for that, BLAME Cartoon Network. When they started to air TDI in the States, apparently, they didn't just censor the jokes they considered "offensive" but also jokes that Canadians would get that some or most Americans wouldn't get. Canadian humour tends to be dry, sarcastic and witty, hence how most of the jokes in TDI were done. But instead of taking their audience seriously, CN BUTCHERED it completely. So when it came to TDA, the writers actually had to work around CN's hypocritical censorship guidelines. So I also think that's why TDA is unpopular, in terms of how episodes were written, it was a clash of cultures in terms of what's ok and what's not.

Holy shit, where have I been? This show rocks out loud!

Okay, yes, Courtney was a bossy Know-Nothing Know-It-All in Season 1 and to a lesser extent still is in S# (Haven't seen Season 2). But she's not even in the same league as Heather or Alessandro

edited 28th Jul '10 10:37:02 AM by tricksterson

It's Alejandro

Also, has the teaser for the Peruvian Amazon episode come out on youtube yet?

Yes. Yes it has

@114 HSRW 101

"Seriously man, calm down. You're acting like if Courtney was the worst thing you ever saw on your life."

I'm not. I'm just explaining how her derailment is rather minor since she was just as unpleasant in season 1, just more discreet.

And about the bullying part, I brought that up because Man with a Plan said she didn't bully him as bad as Duncan.

Just because I have an aggressive way of arguing, doesn't mean I'm angry or the like IRL. I'm relatively calm and laidback.

"And just because of what you went through, doesn't justify hating a fictional character that has done NOTHING to you. You are entitled to your opinion but please tone it down."

Me being bullied does not impact my view on the character greatly. It simply makes me able to discern it better.

Also, if I was so traumatised by my experiences, why is my best female friend from school òne of these bullies?

Heck, I dated another one of them later on(they were three). >_>

As for courtney- I don't hate her, just dislike her as she does not appeal to me.

Duncan is a good comparison. I dislike their general personalities just as much, but Duncan is funny with sarcasm and certain physical jokes. Courtney is simply whiny- and bossy, which can be bent back into whiny. Beyond that her only interesting plot was her relationship with Duncan- and I'm don't really like romance in fictional media, so...

I don't really care that much for Courtney. But blaming the writers with major derailing when little was made? Worth arguing against.

I do in fact hate a character on the show. He's an unfunny waste of space, gets no development, a lot of screentime...

Yeah, that would be Owen.

@Manwiththe Plan "That still doesn't justify what Harold did. He himself admitted it was wrong later on."

True. Still, she had it coming, even if it were for the wrong reasons.

"You honestly think she was Heather 2.0 in TDI, huh?"

No. Heather is selfish, witty, and clever. Courtney isn't like her. Courtney, unlike Heather, is boring.

"I included him in those who suffered least because of that. He still suffered from the writers not knowing what to do with him."

Still development, not derailment.

"That's the impression I get to you; you've been traumatized so much by real life bullies that you can't stand them in a CARTOON. To which I say...chill."

Read above. Also, I don't have problems with Courtney being a bully. What I have problems with are rabid fans that spam every thread full of "Harold must die", "Dx C Forever". Also, people saying Courtney did nothing to deserve being voted off, as it is a big fat lie.

Courtney was very much a Draco in Leather Pants in season 1.

"And really, I doubt most people could stand real life psychopaths. And yet Izzie is still very popular. Why? Because she's over the top and funny with it. Same with the other characters like Courtney."

Indeed. If she was over the top in a funny way I would like her. She isn't. She's over the top whiny- which is never ever funny.

You guys need to realize a heated argument doesn't mean angry guy behind keyboard.

It's Official, Sierra is a Satire of Cody's legion of fangirls

If it's not a reward challenge, Owen will be eliminated in my view (but he'll come back like Duncan will)

OHGODTHATTRAILERHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!

...HA.

@RWB: I can understand you don't like Courtney for your reasons, but you also have to acknowledge that not everyone thinks that way you do. To you, she's boring, to others like me, she's interesting. Its just a matter of perspective, but at the same time, accepting others personal opinions. And for you saying you're calm and laid back when you make an aggressive argument, take this hint for in the future when making an argument online. Be more careful with what you say, what you say online may seem fine from your perspective or anybody else's when typing it, but to others, they can take it the wrong way since anything said can mean anything online. So at least either be careful with your words or reassure that you're not trying to act like an angry bitter prick.

I can get why you don't like Courtney's whiny persona, cause again, she's the stereotype of the overachieving prep girl who tries to have things go her way only the right way. Others find it funny, some don't, it shouldn't mean we should tear each other's heads off about it. As for the romance thing, that's actually something you and I can agree on. Actually, the romance in the show are just subplots, not the major element of the show, but I can certainly say from my experience, fanatic shipping gives me a MAAAAAAAAAAJOR headache >_<.

And seriously? Owen's funny. But again, from my perspective, its just how he's used to bring at least a little positive atmosphere into the show where most characters while positive at times, can be a little negative.

Well it was like chain of karma that what happened during Sadie's, Courtney's and Harold's elimination. I noticed there was always patterns in the show. While karma did get to courtney in that one, it can still easily be said that it was uncalled for as Harold (understandably wanted to get back at Duncan) went really low by pulling a Heather. But still, DRAMA.

And let me assure you that I am not one of those fanatic hardcore fans, I stay AWAY from those type of people. The reason why I defend her its just again, I can understand and accept you don't like her for your reasons, but there are those that practically just hate her for the rabid reasons, like how you hate their rabid reasons for defending her.

But again, just because you know you're not angry when you're typing a message doesn't mean everyone else will get that same feeling. Be careful with what you say if you don't want to cause a misunderstanding.

Yeah. I get... inspired when I argue. And I when I write, I don't really redirect that energy anywhere but into the message.

My way of arguing was developed when some zealous christians- fanatics if you will, kept bombarding me with reasons why I should become a christian. No arguments but the ones that bite AND question at the same time really work against them. :P

I know most people I argue with aren't the same, but my excess energy flies into my arguments. >_>

@RWB: Fanatical Christians got to you too huh? Ugh, its people like them that give Christians like me a bad name >_<. My perspective is that we all have a choice, and if they want you to experience the same thing they did, they should've let you make the choice for yourself, instead of trying to force you to become one. Kinda ironic when they talk about love and salvation when they pressure others to do so against their will isn't it? Not very Christiany at all lol.

But at least its good to know we've managed to resolve this peacefully without turning it into an unintentional fight. We're very different in our terms of argument. You unleash a lot of energy into your argument, while I try to find a balanced statement that respects everyone's opinion and mine. And while we may have our own say on Courtney, I'm just happy that this ended peacefully ^^.

Is...is it safe to come out now?