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x3 ...This may well be the first Call of Duty game I've ever considered picking up. Because it looks awesome.

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Oh the Internet hates it man.

...Why? It looks kickass. Or is it because it isn't the usual Call Of Duty experience?

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It looks more interesting than most of the series.

The fact that it is another Call Of Duty game with no change other than setting.

That may change when it comes out.

Really? Because it seems very different.

Most of the hate on the game is likely just people jumping on the hate bandwagon that began ever since the reveal of Battlefield 1.

Wow. We talk about Treize's brain, and suddenly we discussed infinite Warfare.

Also, after thinking it through, my good estimate is just Wing writer didn't have good enough skill and/ or experience in worldbuilding to basically build a coherent world and narrative. I mean, Wing, unlike established UC, is basically their 2nd original universe story, with Mobile Fighter G Gundam basically experiment on how much you can cramming Super Robot convention into Gundam-style narrative.

Also, Mobile Dolls in this setting, basically seen as Game-Breaker and Weapon of Mass Destruction mostly because the effect of remote weapon (funnel) in UC narrative, in which remote weapon can only wielded by Newtype, which came prepackaged with Hyper-Awareness and often equipped with custom weapon with Bigga Dakka to maximizes kill, often can, easily, turn the table in the battlefield. The writers can see the effect of remote weapon, but failed to basically, thinking it very, very thoroughly.

That's for now, though.

We had another discussion of the Mobile Dolls and the morality of them a long time ago. At the time I posted an article that noted that rates of PTSD among real life drone operators are not notably different from rates of PTSD among actual pilots.

Now, the Dolls can all be run by one person, which makes a difference, but Wing never calls out the fact that they could potentially enable war crimes, as laculus has been arguing. It's a good point, but the show never makes it. The show gets hung up on Treize's BS about how people must bleed for what they believe in.

Actually, I can't remember how much remote oversight mobile dolls supposedly need. They are legitimately autonomous, so you certainly don't need a 1:1 ratio of a remote pilot for each mobile doll, but IIRC it's not clear how good they are at using tactics beyond "shoot the target in front of me". The final battle has Dorothy running basically an entire army of them, but she was cheating by doing it via the Zero system. (Which I actually thought was a clever use of that particular plot device. I mean, they invented a tactical computer that can basically predict the future. It'd be a waste if they only ever used it for piloting giant robots.)

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

I remember that the early dolls had some problems with identifying enemies. Heero staged an attack on one of the Virgos with a Leo and the rest of the dolls started attacking the inactive Leos in the hangar. Then a Virgo saw him trigger a bomb on another Virgo, and he was wearing an OZ uniform...

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Also, on Treize: My Doylist perspective is that while the writer can make him recognize the danger of Mobile Dolls, they failed to give him, basically, more rational reasoning to do so. Automated warfare isn't exactly a thing even in early 00's, and their effect isn't really understand up until recently.

My Watsonian is that the reasoning he gaves to public (OZ and Romfeller inner circle) are basically reasoning tailored to their perception and pride. He knows he can't exactly sell his ideas by stating the "rational, common" reasoning, he need to make his reason sounds logical from their view, the military who glorifies combat and noble-industrialist who thinks of profit but also, to certain extent, glory.

That's an interesting take on things. He and his cousin Dorothy are a mass of contradictions. Intentional contradictions I think. I think most people, when they look close enough, do have a lot of contradictory thoughts, especially in complicated times or if they are suffering from trauma.

So it is possible for Treize to both mean and not mean what he said to Romefeller. We have enough evidence that he is sort of a humanist and believes in the ability of the individual to overcome all obstacles. But at the same time, the end of Wing goes against that.

People think Wing is a badly written mess but I feel there is too much self-awareness in it to validate that claim. I just think the characters are supposed to be immensely flawed.

Hey.

So giant robots are cool, and I heard that there are apparently Gundam movies on YouTube posted by the official owners or whoever that are a good starting place for newcomers. Is this true and can I please have a link? (Search results on YouTube gave me random channels with unofficial uploads.)

edited 24th Sep '16 10:08:32 PM by Karxrida

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I can vouch for the movies being good, and I know I saw them on Gundam.info, but I don't know if they're still up

Here's their official youtube channel.

There aren't any movies up right now, they're all private, so check back later when they announce you can watch them. Though you should watch Iron-Blooded Orphans since it's a completely different continuity from the others and doesn't rely on you watching past series like Build Fighters and Unicorn do.

Oh and if you want to start with UC then start with War in the Pocket.

Or the Compilation movies for 0079.

You gotta start somewhere.

0080 really isn't a good entry series to UC, the movies however are.

SEED and 0079 are the best IMO, one of those will pretty much set you up for almost all the rest. IBO is so different that I do not rec it as an entry series at all.

edited 25th Sep '16 1:34:15 AM by Memers

Mind, if you're looking at what's currently available free and legally, there's Unicorn (assumes familiarity with the entirety of the UC), Build Fighters and it's sequel (kids show, not indicative of the greater franchise), an SD series (ditto) and Iron Blooded Orphans. Of those options, the last is the only one that both stands on it's own and isn't intended for 12-year-olds. Also, it's the reason I got interested enough in Gundam to look at older series

edited 25th Sep '16 3:14:42 AM by Hylarn

You keep saying that IBO is different, alien, and 'not Gundam', but never explain why. Care to elaborate?

I mean, compared to stuff like G, Turn A, and Build Fighters, it seems pretty conventional.

What's precedent ever done for us?

The official Gundam channel is GundamInfo, which does have a lot of stuff posted. The movies you're referring to are probably the Mobile Suit Gundam Compilation Movie trilogy, which were up for a while but recently removed (Gundam Info tends to rotate through the stuff they have posted).

If you're looking to get into the series, a good starting point is Gundam Build Fighters. It's not exactly your standard Gundam show (it's basically a Sports Anime where the "sport" is mecha battles, as opposed to most Gundam shows being dramatic war stories), but it's a good primer on the franchise in general and an excellent show in its own right. I know several people who aren't Gundam fans, but watched GBF and loved it. GBF is also available from the Gundam Info Youtube channel; the English-subs playlist is here.

Other than that, if you're looking for something in particular — if you prefer something more action-oriented, more political drama, something campy and over-the-top, etc — we can make recommendations on that. Unfortunately, outside of Youtube, there's not much in the way of legal streaming Gundam. Gundam has a huge backlog, much of which is only just now getting DVD releases in North America, to say nothing of being available to stream.

edited 25th Sep '16 10:56:03 AM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

Guys, I think there may be a cataclysm happening. Disaster of Biblical proportions, dogs and cats living together, etc.

Zeonic has finished translating Char's Deleted Affair.

MAH GAWD! MAH GAWD!

So, I admit to liking AGE a bit when I watched it. A lot of it was meh, but I like the AGE System and the resulting Gundams. But as I was watching it, I was rather surprised to discover that it was basically an Anime of a Game. And from what I have been reading about it, the AGE Game expands a lot more on the world building and such than the Anime could ever hope to show due to not having nearly enough room for it all.

Really, AGE had a lot of potential as an Anime, but it just didn't have the space to grow fully. I also say the same about Reconguista In G. With that one, it really should have been the usual fifty episodes that Gundam generally gets.

So, who here wished that something in a Gundam Series that you didn't like/had mixed feelings about had gotten expanded, but either there wasn't enough episodes or real life complications behind the scenes interfered?

I reckon that G-Saviour could of been a lot better if it was an OVA instead of a movie. I don't think it's as horrible as most fans make it out to be but it certainly could of been better if was spread out over at least 3-5 episodes.

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