Looking through the examples, I see some pretty serious confusion, here.
For example, this one:
"Ironically, Bards in Final Fantasy V are a subversion, as they are Not Completely Useless. However, the Berserker class plays this straight, what with its lack of control and low speed. The Oracle from the Advance version fits this, except for its very high magic stat."
So, even with the old lack-of-definition, they have to deal with bards just because they are bards, but then they talk about "useless class" in the same sentance.
Basically, something like this has to be cleaned up by hand no matter what we decided, unless the decision was "do nothing".
(I also have to wonder why there are so many seperate bullet points for Final Fantasy examples, instead of just putting everything under one massive "Final Fantasy" bullet point with sub-bullets for all the other Final Fantasies... It's also worth noting that Final Fantasy takes up about half
the examples by amount of text, here...)
Also, like I said in the edit of my last post, something doesn't have to be a bard to be a "Spoony Bard
", even in the usual definition. A "dancer" is probably still a spoony bard. In Disgaea3, cheerleaders and shamans were spoony bards (cheerleaders passively boosted all your party member's stats just for being on the field, but was useless for anything but hiding in a corner while the characters benefitting from the boost did all the work, while shamans reduced the stats of enemies).
That is, even under the usual definition, not all bards are spoony and not everyone spoony is a bard. In fact, a good deal of these examples start out with "subverted
by this bard class that was actually useful".
EDIT: In fact, the Berserker in the example I quoted above is not even really an example of the previous two-sentance version of the definition, as it relies upon simply attacking, but has negative traits that just make other physical attackers generally better. The gimmick isn't some "supposedly useful, but really not" gimmick, it's a purposeful drawback that other classes don't have, the problem with the Berserker class is that it doesn't get any compensating boost in usefulness for it.
In fact, I think I found the "useless class" trope we can move many of the bad examples to already here - Master of None
exists, and it's already filled with many of the exact same examples as Spoony Bard
edited 15th Sep '10 3:26:51 PM by Wraith_Magus