The Pokédex - Extended Fanon Edition

IIRC, Rhydons and Arons shouldn't be limited to nothing but iron ore, because Pandas are limited to Bamboo Trees, and because of that they can't really do much except constantly eat bamboo to survive, which gets problematic in the natural order of things and thus a gateway to extinction so that the biosphere doesn't have to deal with them. I suppose that if Rhydons and Arons have a gizzard of some kind then this bit of info is irrelevant.

Eating only one thing is a dangerous dependency for a species, but if it's plentiful that's not a big deal. The panda's problem is that bamboo is lower on energy than, say, fruit.

I'm inclined to just PM the Staryu person and request that they use the thread in the future. No reason to throw out a perfectly good article.

edited 5th Feb '11 2:07:20 PM by Tangent128

Uh, guys? Rhydon is not limited to eating iron, as you seem to think; there is an implied omnivorism in the diet section.

Sorry Sullen Frog.

Pandas are not limited to bamboo; they are limited to things they can outrun, and bamboo is the most plentiful one, they'd eat carrion, small vertebrates, insects, fools who try to hug an adult live panda...

The Aron family, I'd say omnivores with a tendency to carnivory, but most of their diet is made of iron.

edited 5th Feb '11 3:26:00 PM by Eriorguez

That would definitely work.

So, now that we've got that little issue ironed out, nobody answered my question earlier; has anyone claimed Onix yet, and if not would anyone object to my writing the creature's article?

I think it would be okay. How do you plan to explain how Onix evolves into Steelix?

Haven't worked that out yet; I'd imagine it would be something similar to my explanation for how Rhydon evolves into Rhyperior in the wild, via exposure to certain rare minerals that are only found at certain depths.

On a slightly different note, would you say that Onix is indeed a snake, or more akin to a giant annelid? I ask this because I need to know which sounds better for its scientific name—Gigaserpens saxum, terranguis gigas, or terravermis gigas.

It's kind of a hard call to make, but I'm going to go with giant worm since it's not very snakelike in matters other than body plan.

As for Steelix evolution, I figured it had something to do with the extreme pressures underground, rarity of Metal Coat, and age, which is why wild Steelix are so hard to find.

edited 5th Feb '11 5:09:29 PM by rmctagg09

Terravermis gigas and terravermis ferratum it is, then. Gentlemen, we have Onixsign.

That explanation makes sense, particularly the age part. The only real problem is this; if Steelix spends much of its time far, far underground, presumably very near the mantle, why then is it vulnerable to fire? One would think the fact that it spends its time in the vicinity of one of the hottest locations in our planet would have given it a resistance to extreme heat...

edited 5th Feb '11 5:18:07 PM by SullenFrog

Uhh... Gameplay and Story Segregation?

That trope is really starting to peeve me off.

@Sullen Frog: My best guess is that the steel armor protects against ambient heat, but directed heat like Flamethrower or Fire Blast can harm it.

That seems reasonable. Okay, thanks guys; I think that clears up all my issues with Onix and Steelix. If all goes well, I should have the article up within a week.

It's part of the reason we're doing this you know.

edited 5th Feb '11 5:30:20 PM by Marioguy128

I go for an entire day and this thread generates three pages. Yay!

As for the animals v/s Pokémon thing, count me on the "there are non-Pokémon animals in the Pokémon world" team, if only because it wouldn't make sense otherwise that humans are the only non-Pokémon lifeform in the world (that assuming there happen to be plankton-equivalent Pokémon lifeforms, for example), and we do know that at least three four Pokémon species do come from, or otherwise explore, the sidereal space. Besides, as far as fanon goes, I go with the Generation Ship approach because of the Technology Levels displayed across games and anime.

Perhaps more directly into our purview, if there no Earth-like lifeforms except humans in the Pokémon world and we are still humans are somehow not knowledgeable on (our) Earth, then we can't reasonably do such simmple things as eg.: using animal- or plant-based roots in the Latin names, and that's only the beginning.

I wanted to discuss more things, but the Steelix thing with fire was already solved, I am still trying to figure out Lati invisibility, I haven't touched the Hoothoot article again, and Tangent and Blissey have helped me lots with my Ninetales problem. Lemme enjoy some gentleman's tea before coming back to this thread.

@Sullen: It could be that the gas used by conventional Fire attacks corrodes steel and that's why they're vulnerable to it.

I think the Steelix Weak to Fire conundrum is because of metal's inherent frenemyship with heat. On the one hand, enough heat turns rocks into metal. On the other hand, fire melts the metals into meaningless goo.

No. Rocks do NOT turn into metal with enough heat, rocks are solid mixtures of vast variety of elements (Quartz for example is made of Silicon and Oxygen no metal there). Heat would do nothing to change the number of protons of the rocks to change it into another element (turn it into an metal if you will).

Also Steel has an extremely HIGH melting point at over 1300 degrees Celsius, assuming Steelix is made up of pure Steel, then it should be highly resistant to heat.

edited 5th Feb '11 6:13:19 PM by Neo_Crimson

I obviously don't know the first thing about geology. I am sorry.

edited 5th Feb '11 6:13:47 PM by CalamityJane

Don't beat yourself too badly over it, Chemistry fail is my Pet-Peeve Trope.

It's okay. I guess in the same vein You Fail Religious Studies Forever is my Pet-Peeve Trope as well.

And thus comes the fridge logic in why steel-types are weak to fire.

Perhaps because of metal's conductivity, their organs are prone to over heating when exposed to directed heat?

Steel isn't a very good conductor, it goes hand in hand with having a high melting point.

That is assuming that Steel-types are made of pure Steel, and not some other alloy that has a lower melting point.

edited 5th Feb '11 7:00:33 PM by Neo_Crimson