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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#11026: Jun 11th 2018 at 6:01:36 PM

I read one fanfic suggestion where he basically becomes real and will be the one to resurrect Voldemort instead of Peter. It didn't go beyond that basic idea, but, given Voldy's personality, it probably would not end well. He already doesn't play well with normal underlings. Imagine how susppicious he would be of a literal clone of himself. He'd probably try to either reabsorb him, force him back into the horcrux, or seek to destroy him.

Young!Voldemort could very well decide the same thing, which would lead to the two of them clashing over who is the real one and who gets to be ruler of the world.

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#11027: Jun 11th 2018 at 6:11:40 PM

Given that TMR still had a lot to learn in the way of, at least, the Dark Arts, if he is a 1:1 to 16-year old V, he would have to do the whole charming Moldy until he could backstab him. Unless the older psycho uses Legilimency or simply goes "bitch, I wrote your playbook".

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#11028: Jun 12th 2018 at 6:03:21 AM

Young Voldemort was an expert occlumens and legilimens as well, something of a natural talent. Remember that Dumbledore could not read his thoughts when he first met him, or at least was immediately discovered.

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#11029: Jun 12th 2018 at 8:29:22 AM

Dumbledore always gave Harry a look that made him feel like he was being X-Rayed. Little Tom probably linked that to his magic and thought that Dumbledore was reading his mind, and gave him some form of Psychic Static.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#11030: Jun 12th 2018 at 9:47:45 AM

I'm pretty sure that Dumbledore WAS trying to read his mind, and Tom immediately picked up on that. I'll look it up. What book was that again, Phoenix?

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#11031: Jun 12th 2018 at 12:32:54 PM

Nah, it's gotta be Prince or later.

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#11032: Jun 12th 2018 at 6:40:22 PM

Could Diary Riddle dispose of the core soul if he needed to? While I doubt either would be loyal to each other in the end, they're both extensions of the same person so one killing the other or otherwise getting them rid of might be impossible.

I've wondering what is, canonically, how Voldemort divides his soul. While most think it's halves, I like to think that he always keeps at least half of his total soul untouched, and the other half is what he progressively mutilates for immortality. That way there's more him in his "normal" state and his horcrux aspects have less lee-way to revolt(like Diary Riddle). So 25% is in the diary, 12.5% is in the ring, 6.25% is in the locket, 3.125% is in the cup, 1.5625% is in the Diadem, 0.78125% is in Harry and 0.390625% is in Nagini. Leaving the main Voldemort with 50.39065% or around 50.4% of himself as the primary soul when he's out of horcruxes

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#11033: Jun 12th 2018 at 6:54:55 PM

Can't be later than Prince, the last book has no backstory on Voldemort other than Harry's own backstory.

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#11034: Jun 13th 2018 at 8:37:10 AM

[up][up]Taking the numbers like that kind of takes the magic out of it. I don't think it's percents. I think it's just the concept of broken souls.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#11035: Jun 13th 2018 at 9:43:12 AM

It is also demonstrably not true; we see throughout the series that Tom Riddle degenerates further and further after each split soul. It is clear that with each horcrux, he loses a significant chunk of soul.

He has half a soul after his FIRST split, and he only looks a bit pale. Imagine how little there is left once we get to Snake Eyes No Nose.

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#11036: Jun 13th 2018 at 10:21:22 AM

The snake nose body was potion-made though. He was properly dead by then wasn't he? Or did he have snake eyes and no nose before he died the first time?

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#11037: Jun 13th 2018 at 10:37:02 AM

No, he definitely looked like that before his first death, too.

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#11038: Jun 13th 2018 at 12:07:05 PM

I choose to believe he cursed it off himself trying to make himself prettier

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#11039: Jun 13th 2018 at 12:10:00 PM

Wizard plastic surgery has a long way to go. grin

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#11040: Jun 13th 2018 at 4:34:46 PM

@ Redmess: Good point, just disregard what I said. However that kind of leaves the question on who the tiny part of what's left of Voldemort's soul that's the main Big Bad is the one in charge. It's not because of being in the body because the body that Voldemort was born in has been dead since 1981. I'm guessing the only reason is because, since that's the only piece not bound up in something, it has the mobility to still be in charge.

Something it may have lost had the Diary Tom Riddle succeeded in getting corporeal form. He'd probably be more effective since he still has his looks, wouldn't be as Ax-Crazy as the other fragments given he has the most soul, wouldn't need to split his soul up further given he already has a bunch of horcruxes, and could use the new face to start fresh. The only issue would be re-learning things

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#11041: Jun 13th 2018 at 10:14:35 PM

Come to think of it.

Could a Dementor destroy a Horcrux? Or at least sniff them out? Because they clearly could sense Voldemort's soul in Harry the second they get introduced.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#11042: Jun 14th 2018 at 12:05:16 AM

[up] Maybe, but a Dementor wouldn't care because the Horcrux is like a half-eaten sandwich at best and crumbs at worst. It just wouldn't interest them. And I doubt there would be enough emotion to eat from. Though even if they were interested I doubt it would work, since they're supposed to keep the soul bound to the physical realm. A horcrux is a better container for a human body because it doesn't age and is far harder to wound since it isn't gooey inside

Well, unless you're Nagini. Which is Voldemort being stupid again-why would you make a horcrux in a mortal creature? Harry has one, he still ages like normal, so Nagini would at best live a long time. And Voldemort wants to be around forever, so eventually that horcrux would be ruined

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#11043: Jun 14th 2018 at 7:37:11 AM

There's no specified quantity for the soul fractions used in Horcruxes. If it's "half your current soul", Voldemort would be down to like 1/128 of his soul by the end. If it's something more like "10% of your original soul", then he'd be down to 20% of his soul by the time he died.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#11044: Jun 14th 2018 at 7:49:04 AM

Given how monstrous Voldemort looks, I suspect Rowling was leaning more to the former than the latter pecentage.

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achilles_heel Since: Oct, 2013
#11045: Jun 14th 2018 at 10:49:14 AM

My instinct is that Rowling didn't think about the numbers too hard and started out thinking that each Horcrux held an equal percentage of Voldemort's soul, but if someone were to point this impossibility out to her she'd say it was the latter: 10% of your soul (or something like that) to create a Horcrux.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#11046: Jun 14th 2018 at 11:36:53 AM

The latter option wouldn't make all the soul pieces equal either. If he were pulling out ten percent of his remaining soul each time, the soul fragments in the horcruxes would get progressively smaller since they'd each be ten percent of a smaller whole.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#11047: Jun 14th 2018 at 11:39:42 AM

And that is of course not even going into what a soul is, how you split it in the first place, why an immoral act would split your soul to begin with, and what constitutes an immoral act heinous enough to split your soul. Murder seems to do it, but that just raises even more questions, especially about soldiers.

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#11048: Jun 14th 2018 at 12:10:58 PM

Intent might play a role there.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#11049: Jun 14th 2018 at 12:18:24 PM

That's still problematic. Soldiers intend to kill, after all. And even if a soldier is allowed to kill, are ALL soldiers treated equally? Or do souls pick sides?

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#11050: Jun 14th 2018 at 12:26:02 PM

Intent has always been considered an important part of determining whether something is murder or not. Soldiers are something else altogether.


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