Absolutely no relation to NLK
The kind of people who'd throw a shitfit if a previously-damseled female character got focus and agency that didn't focus on fighting is a small enough demographic that their impact on sales would be negligible.
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Hell you could build hype by making a new playable character or two to easily outweigh that...
Say a Lumen Sage and Umbra Witch... teasing a possible bayonetta crossover
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If this were a major series, yes, but DMC and all games that fit into the genre (Bayonetta included) are niche games. In this case, every sale counts so that Capcom can actually earn money off of it. Now, while some companies might not mind taking a bit of a loss, I don't have that faith in Capcom.
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Absolutely no relation to NLK
At the risk of stereotyping, I question the overlap between that demographic and the one that would buy games like DMC in the first place.
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The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
RE Dante being trapped in Hell: I thought DMC2 ended with Lucia rushing to meet an off-screen Dante after waiting for him to return for quite a while.
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Well, that can be ignored since playing as Dante fighting his way out of Hell is a lot more badass and fun. And it lets us bring the others into it to explain what they were up to.
Going back to Kyrie for a moment, she doesn't have to be a badass fighter, she just has to be badass. I'm pretty sure Badass Pacifist is a trope and there are plenty of ways to be badass without fighting.
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I was told by an insane DMC "fan" that Kyrie was badass due to the following. He later insulted me because I disagreed.
edited 6th May '15 4:40:25 AM by GilverDMC1
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Shielding the child with her own body was certainly heroic but not badass.
Being able to remain calm throughout all that shows a remarkable degree of self-control (something I hope they keep for the next game) and is certainly interesting but not badass.
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He told me that I had less balls than her because I said I wouldn't do that.
He also had the nerve to compare that to Berserk(Charlotte takes a poisoned arrow for Griffith) and also whined when I said I'd never protected him if I knew about the causality stuff surrounding him.
edited 6th May '15 5:21:52 AM by GilverDMC1
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You wouldn't have shielded a child with your body? If I'm being honest, I probably wouldn't either since I'm just not that self-sacrificing for strangers. What Kyrie did certainly took a lot of courage but not doing that doesn't necessarily reflect poorly on a person's character. Especially since I would have just grabbed him and ran.
As for the second one, I don't really know what you're talking about but I get the feeling that it's like one of the opening scenes in Xenoblade Chronicles. You know the person in question won't be hurt so you take no steps to "save" them.
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The Mistress
Griffith was blessed by the Godhand. A group of Eldricht demons that govern causality, fate and hell in the world of Berserk.
This means that if any action is taken to hurt him or kill him, then it will fail simply because it's not fated to do so. I.E. If an arrow is shot against him it will miss, regardless of how good of a shot is the archer. If someone tries to stab him he will be able to block it, regardless of how prepared he was for the attack. etc.
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I wouldn't, I'd rather escort them to safety at least.
On my second part, the guy has a ton of fate related stuff surrounding him and if I knew that I wouldn't protect him at all since he's going to end up ok in the long run anyways.
edited 6th May '15 5:25:52 AM by GilverDMC1
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Oh. If you know that then protecting his is stupid as you likely can't do a damn thing even when he is fated to die. Your sacrifice would be senseless.
If you didn't know then it's fine. Still senseless and a case of Dramatic Irony but fine.
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The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
It is, of course, right that escorting the child to safety should be your first course of action. Then again, humans have shown themselves to be prone to reacting on instinct/reflex when under duress or faced with a split-second decision, if they haven't specifically trained themselves out of such reflexive reactions.
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Absolutely no relation to NLK
Seems like moving the goalposts here. Either being badass is solely defined as martial ability, in which case Kyrie isn't and won't be, or it's not, in which case shielding a random child with your body fits right there.
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The Perpetual/Long-term Projects thread for Badass and its subtropes have recently more or less concluded that "Badass" as a trope isn't limited to martial ability (which, incidentally, is my stance), thereby paving the way for retaining Badass Pacifist and similar tropes as subtropes of Badass.
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Kyrie isn't as bad as people make her out to be.
Like she's a church girl people, she's not going to be cRAzY A Weso ME like Dante and friends. Considering what she went through, she faced it pretty well putting her faith in Nero and God knowing she herself would be powerless to stop it.
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At the same time, she has no personality to speak of and exists solely to be a Damsel in Distress. I think even Princess Peach has more personality than Kyrie does.
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Not this again :/
In a way Lady, Trish and Lucia kind of fit the Fighter, Mage, Thief.
Lady- uses lots and lots of guns.
Trish- Lightning and teleportation
Lucia- stealthy and speedy and uses disguises to infiltrate the bad guy's lair.
Also, I wonder if Lucia would work better as an angel/human hybrid. The cast is full of demons or half-demons anyway.
Absolutely no relation to NLK
Angels aren't a thing in regular DMC aside from that one enemy in 3.
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I know. But if regular DMC's being continued I'd like to see more of them.
Bunch of Trish gameplay.
But those people are money and money is what Capcom wants. If this series gets them more money then they'll put more focus on it. If they put more focus on it then we'll get more games for it.
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