No.
The name's clear and it's not being misused.
Oh god, no, one of these.
No. Renames for the sake of renames are stupid.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
The inbound links are healthy, so no.
The Our Monsters Are Different family is pretty stupid, but "Our Angels Are Faithful" doesn't really address any of the problems. So...no.
edited 30th Nov '10 12:07:37 PM by troacctid
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Brother of Favio
Our Angels Are Different is a page discussing how angels can be interpreted different ways and given different powers Depending on the Writer. There's holy angels with godly powers, angels who are just a species of humanoids with wings, evil angels, etc.
Our Angels Are Faithful is a stupid rename because it doesn't convey any of that message.
^ Agreed - same as with Our Demons Are Diabolical, I would be inclined to read Our Angels Are Faithful as essentially Our Angels Are Angelic .
edited 2nd Dec '10 7:56:20 PM by MoCellMan
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Honestly, I hate all of the renames. They all convey The Same But More to me, or a works' attempt to be "better", not different or unique.
Our Banshees Are Louder implies that the trope is about them still being monsters, but more powerful monsters. Our Ogres Are Hungrier implies that more aggressive, evil, etc, monsters.
EDIT: Actually, I don't hate them all, just The Same But More ones; Our Robots are Non-standard is funny.
edited 2nd Dec '10 8:25:39 PM by helterskelter
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I don't think those were ever renamed. They're just bad snow-clones.
The whole point of wanting to rename many of the Our Monsters Are Different family of tropes wasn't that the names needed to be more specific, but that they were snowcloned off of "Our X Are Different" for no good reason. "Our X Are Like-This-And-That" is a nonsensical way to name creature tropes that in no way make a comparison to "Everyone Else's X".
That said, Our Angels Are Different is kinda wonky. The examples seem to have a legitimate place in the Our Monsters Are Different family, but the description focuses pretty narrowly on biblical angels.
Yeah, it does look like it was written by someone who didn't quite grasp any other ways they're portrayed. That's easy enough to fix with some rewriting though.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Bump. And if the description was already rewritten, we should lock this.
It hasn't been. The only problem is that there's so much information on biblical angels, and only biblical angels, that's I'm not sure where to start. Should we chop it all off into a Useful Notes page and start from scratch?
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Our Angels Are Diviner.
Our Angels Are Closer To God
edited 3rd Mar '11 7:29:09 PM by IndirectActiveTransport
We aren't renaming this. Ugh. Maybe we should just close this and make a clean up thread.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Why not, exactly what is wrong with nicknaming the our monsters our different categories?
Oh, Fur Against Fang, added alliterative appeal! Oh Firefly affect, because added alliterative appeal and it sounds like butterfly affect! Badass Bandolier because we need another badass trope dammit! And Added Alliterative Appeal!
Because it removes all the meaning from the snowclone. The point of the trope is that Our Angels Are Different, i.e. "Other works have angels in them, but for ours, we've put a unique spin on them."
Can we lock this?
edited 3rd Mar '11 8:20:04 PM by troacctid
Rhymes with "Protracted."
I got the title changed to clean up. We still need to deal with the fact that the trope description is 90% really long lecture on Biblical angels while completely ignoring all other portrayals.
edited 3rd Mar '11 8:23:08 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Why not? The Bible is how they are actually portrayed in religion, Our Angels are different shows how fiction decides to portray them differently, as shown by the examples. Space Is Cold describes how temperature in a vacuum works in real life then shows works of fiction where it works differently. Our Dragons are different describes how Dragons were shown by real world cultures and lets the examples explain the fiction.
Honestly, the page is fine as is, but I don't see how the monster's are different snow clone is any worse than any of our other trope naming conventions.
edited 3rd Mar '11 8:30:29 PM by IndirectActiveTransport
Together Forever...
The Bible is how they are actually portrayed in A religion,
Important distinction.
I took a hatchet to the description and stuck the lecture on the discussion page. I also reworked the beginning of the description to put the trope definition front-and-center. Hopefully it's much more clear now.
Also, nitpick, but most of that stuff isn't in the Bible proper—it's Word of Dante.
edited 3rd Mar '11 8:37:47 PM by troacctid
Rhymes with "Protracted."
There are angels in far more religions than just Christianity.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Fair enough, name a non Abraham religion that uses angels not borrowed from abrahamic religions.
Between the big three, the only place they aren't really consistent with each other is over that matter of if Nephilim are related to angels and how Satan operates, and many scholars claim the Lucifer=Satan is a misconception, in which their all pretty consistent.
Norse, Greek, Roman, Babylonian... You know, the places that Abrahamic religions plagiarized their angels from.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Yeah, having real trouble remembering a class of being parallel to angel in any of those faiths, especially not Norse religion where pretty much everything super natural was bad to people by default.
In the tradition of giving Our Monsters Are Different Subtropes more unique names, does anyone think that this article should be renamed to "..." Faithful/Stranger/Freakier/Terrifying or something?