Needs a good pic: Hero Antagonist

Any ideas for a good image pick for Hero Antagonist. As for the caption, I think something along the lines of "If circumstances were different he'd be your staunchest ally." would be fitting.

1. Harpuia. More obvious during Zero 2 and 3 though.

Damn. So many good and fairly recognizable examples are listed on that page, but I can't really think of a good image that isn't JAFAAC or relies on the caption to explain.

Captain Hammer?

Meta Knight?

... I'm almost thinking it might be an idea to replace the Villain Protagonist image with Macbeth so that we can use Macduff on Hero Antagonist for a sense of symmetry. Or alternatively use whatever other Villain Protagonist/Hero Antagonist pair would be both well known and from the same story so as to create, again, a sense of symmetry...

edited 9th Dec '10 4:52:57 PM by neoYTPism

I think they would have to be labeled. Which is weak.

The Macbeth suggestion, you mean? I wouldn't rule out the possibility that we could have a Villain Protagonist/Hero Antagonist pair for which that wouldn't apply.

I dunno, the villain part of the "pair" would have to be good enough to displace the Dr. Horrible title card on Villain Protagonist.

Possibly better off trying to find a good Hero Antagonist and not necessarily a pair.

Although this image is enormous... 1024x768.

edited 9th Dec '10 5:39:13 PM by rodneyAnonymous

I was shocked to learn Tommy Lee Jones in The Fugitive was not listed on this page. Since his character is memorable mostly for this trope it's a possible trope image too.

Caption: US Marshal Tommy Lee Jones in The Fugitive.

Kinda says it all, doesn't it? After all, everyone knows the Fugitive is the hero.

How would they know that?

Because he's played by Harrison Ford in a famous role based on a TV series that was bigger than Star Trek. And it's the role that made Tommy Lee Jones famous. Besides, when was the last time you had a fugitive villain?

Obviously, an over-the-shoulder shot with Harrison Ford would be ideal, but...

edited 10th Dec '10 10:29:16 AM by berr

Who?

(I also can't tell he's supposed to be an antagonist)

Yeah that relies too much on the caption. A trope like this is hard to properly show without one though.

Classic JAFAAC.

Because he's played by Harrison Ford in a famous role based on a TV series that was bigger than Star Trek.

Emphasis mine. How famous it was isn't as important as how famous it is. And your appeal to Fan Myopia is another strike against it.

Throwing in my own splash of Fan Myopia, I think Harpuia from the Megaman Zero series could work...

Or maybe Carmelita Fox from Sly Cooper? You don't get more heroic than a cop, and you don't get more antagonistic than "trying to arrest the main character." Even when she occasionally teams up with the gang she immediately turns around and tries to arrest them again once the crises is resolved, give or take a ten second headstart here and there.

I cannot think of a single example of Hero Antagonist that won't be JAFAAC. Even if we picture a villain and a hero together, it's still hard to determine who is who.

If Dr. Horrible is determined acceptable for Villain Protagonist, then Captain Hammer should also be acceptable for Hero Antagonist.

Would this◊ work? I could have sworn something like it was used previously.

Well it is also that the show is called "Dr. Horrible's Sing-A-Long Blog", and that is a villain name. CBB.

Hmmm.. What about situations from the Marvel Civil War? Or some example of a Hero opposing another because of a clash in goals. One hero is trying to stop something from happening, but another hero has a valid reason to stop the first.

This post was thumped by the Shillelagh of Whackingness

^ That would be Villain Protagonist. Oh u >:O

Just to be clear:

A Hero Antagonist is a character who is an antagonist (that is, they oppose the protagonist), yet is still technically a hero - they just don't have Sympathetic POV on their side. Their objectives are things like saving the world, saving large groups of people, heck, saving anybody's life if they have the chance. A tweaking of the narrative could easily make them a sympathetic protagonist. They would shudder at the thought of committing clearly evil acts.

edited 11th Dec '10 10:41:24 AM by melloncollie

Yah I realized my Durr moment right after I clicked send.

The Fugitive does seem like a good source, if we can find an good picture that depicts both the protagonist and his Hero Antagonist in one of their many confrontations.