The Legend of Korra

Well, so is Ty Lee, right? (I forget how old she's supposed to be).

Although, as I've stated before, Azula always struck me as older than that - I would have made her and Zuko twins.

edited 4th Mar '15 11:08:42 AM by KarkatTheDalek

The Vamp is generally someone who actually has experience in that area. She feels like someone going through the motions.

x2 Well, yeah, but that doesn't make it better.

She was never really The Vamp, though. I mean, there may have been some minor elements of that archetype, but generally that sort of character isn't as aggresive and Blood Knight-y as Azula is.

edited 4th Mar '15 11:12:55 AM by Mukora

Well Sokka and Suki aren't much older and there were those tent implications. Maybe they were just making out though.

What if Bolin and Eska never got sex-ed.

"abstinence-only education sucks" is a sentiment I can always get behind.

The difference between 16 and 14 isn't that big age wise but I'd argue there's a noticeable difference maturity wise.

edited 4th Mar '15 12:45:14 PM by Kostya

Autism part 3.

x2 Definitely.

I mean, there are a ton of stories that involve teenagers around the 16-17 age range having sex. But 14 is getting into murky territory. It's a lot closer to twelve than it is 18.

Azula was never The Vamp. What she is, is a confident, aggressive female, which are traits that can be considered seductive even without the intent of the person displaying them. It's the distinction between what is intended to be flirtatious and what is merely taken as such by the opposite party - that party here being the fandom.

Azula was never deliberately flirtatious, and if being 14 isn't reason enough to doubt that, remember that we have actually seen what Azula looks like when she's trying to flirt.

edited 4th Mar '15 1:09:32 PM by TobiasDrake

Yep.

Which is why the idea that Azula's behaviour constitutes Incest Subtext between her and Zuko is total rubbish.

You know, the idea that the best advice Ty Lee could have given Azula would have been "just act like you always do, only without any veiled threats towards him or his family" both amuses and somewhat disturbs me.

Good question.

...Also, Korra's related to three world leaders.

Granted, her dad's elected, so.

Korra talks about them in Book 2 like she's met them before, so.

This scene kinda always interfered with the idea that Unalaq was at all a decent father.

On the other hand, holy shit the Northern Water Tribe is probably still sexist. And Unalaq and Tonraq seemingly don't care. Although, I mean, Unalaq's army doesn't seem to have many or any women in it, aside from Eska herself.

70 years doesn't seem like a lot of time to completely fix attitudes like that.

...The Red Lotus is weird. We don't know when Korra's grandpa died, but either way Korra herself was born well after Tonraq was banished. And the kidnapping attempt was after that. The kidnapping attempt that was Unalaq's idea.

It's kinda bizarre for an anarchist group dedicated to eliminating world leaders would have someone that was either notionally in charge of both Water Tribes or the only person in line for the throne as such a valued member.

Ozai's motivation.

edited 4th Mar '15 1:33:22 PM by unnoun

And then his sister and Korra kept sleep punching him in the face so he figures 'hell with it, I sleep in the tub now'

See look at that, Unalaq taught his children the important lesson that we can't let death get us down and that it's just another part of life.

What a great guy.

Hmm...perhaps most of the more progressive-minded Northerners went to Southern Water Tribe to help rebuild...thus causing even more cultural stagnation in the North. Joy.

I can honestly see Unalaq going either way. If he does subscribe to those views, then I'd guess that he's more pragmatic about it than, say, Pakku was - he probably sees both Eska and Korra as powerful assets that are too good to pass up. Otherwise, he might feel like he's forced to bow to public pressure. Perhaps there have been advancements, but the military still doesn't allow women to serve on the front lines - that's been an issue even in real life modern times, after all.

Tonraq doesn't seem to have any issues with women fighting or being in charge, especially considering who his daughter is. Maybe he did have some sexist views in the past, but all the years he spent in the South caused him to grow more tolerant. (I like to think that Senna was largely responsible for this. Speaking of which, I kind of wish she had had a larger role - she's supposed to be a waterbender too, although I don't recall her ever doing so. I'd say that she and Tonraq could have swapped roles, but if the Water Tribe is still sexist, then I'm not sure if that would work, considering how Tonraq would have been poised to become chief. Maybe she could have had Tonraq's role in Book 3?)

In any case, maybe Tonraq thinks "Fuck it, they haven't changed in ages, there's no way I'd change their minds." Not the best mindset, but perhaps an understandable one, especially considering that he was exiled.

Gotta have a man on the inside - gives them an advantage. Zaheer's already a "the end justifies the means" kind of guy (most Korra villains are, actually), so I'm sure he's willing to make a few pragmatic decisions for the greater good^note THE GREATER GOOD.

edited 4th Mar '15 2:04:17 PM by KarkatTheDalek

You know, while I'm not going to argue that Ozai isn't a total asshole, I disagree that he has no motivation or clear ideology compared to the other villains. He's a representative of imperialism, blind excessive nationalism, allegorical racial superiority (of fire as a superior element to the other three) and Social Darwinism in a Might Makes Right sense.

I like this.

Korra needs mouth-tentacles though.

Also, I think I rewatched Beginnings

I think it's weird that Raava and Vaatu are called "the all-powerful spirits".

And.

So does that mean they've been joined at the hip for every single past Harmonic Convergence?

Well, not hip. Tentacle. Whatever.

Iroh should be more careful with his advice.

Combustion is lasers?

Korra was winning this fight. And her chest laser beat Vaatu's.

Korra's spirit is the strongest thing ever.

The Tree of Time is pretty sweet.

Hugs.◊

Cosmic energy or some shit.

This became a post about Raava and Vaatu.

Big dumb kites.

Well yes, but that's pretty much one of the major definitions of "asshole".

edited 4th Mar '15 2:03:44 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Yes, but it's not just being an asshole with no rhyme or reason. If you want to point to a villain who has no consistent agenda besides just being an asshole for no reason, Unalaq is a better fit.

...Huh.

Wow, I like this idea.

Unalaq won't shut up about Spirits.

edited 4th Mar '15 2:06:58 PM by unnoun

Unnoun: During the commentary for Beginnings Bryke explain that Raava and Vaatu spend most of their time attached to each others back. They're literally two sides of the same creature but Vaatu was trying to rip himself off of Raava when Wan showed up.

Well, yeah, he has a shadow of an ideology, but it's very inconsistent and vague for most of his appearances. And he blatantly goes against his own plans and supposed ideals at several points just because it's the asshole thing to do.

edited 4th Mar '15 2:09:40 PM by DrDougsh

...But they're supposed to fight each other every Harmonic Convergence.

Like.

Dang, that takes "stop hitting yourself" to an extreme.

I think they have some limited amount of freedom. Vaatu was trying to rip himself off completely though.

I mean, there might need to be an explanation for why Senna is getting more involved when she didn't really try doing anything in Book 2. I seem to recall Tonraq taking a heavy beating towards the end of that season, so maybe he could still be recovering. However...I assuming that Senna would know about Zaheer's attempt to kidnap Korra...

Maybe Tonraq could go to help Zuko, but is badly injured enough by the Red Lotus that he can't partake in the rest of the action, which leads to Senna going to help Korra later on.

This is probably a cleaner explanation, though:

Boom, doesn't waste any time. Granted, I'm sure if Senna has any official position in the Southern Water Tribe, but I'm sure we could make something up.

In any case, I'm glad you like it.

An interesting theory, but considering P'Li had the same tattoo (and even stronger powers), and was alive while Vaatu was still imprisoned in the tree, I'm not sure if that works.

Now, if combustion benders as a whole are linked to Vaatu in some other way, I think that could work.

edited 4th Mar '15 2:31:57 PM by KarkatTheDalek