Neon Genesis Evangelion

And done so in a style that kinda undermines your whole point. I mean,

That's straight-up We Win, Because You Didn't confirmation bias right there.

To be perfectly clear, it's not the argument I'm having a problem with here, it's the presentation.

edited 18th Feb '18 4:56:02 AM by amitakartok

The Amazing Blachman on 18th Feb '18 4:05:49 AM

• That is not true. EVA's intrinsically don't have souls, and are embedded with them. (Ritsuko, episode 23)
• The contact experiment is not a contact experiment, but a transfer of the mothers soul into the EVA.
• This is further implied in episode 22, where the people at the funeral discussed it as an accident, but in private with another said that there was a lot more to this than it seemed.

This is clearly just fan speculation, "what ifs" and so on. It's entirely pointless of you to write this.

You're really trying to claim that the deliberate machinations of an organization over the course of several decades are nothing more than "happy accidents" for them. They didn't just "accidentally" keep a whole classroom of children available and fake a selection process. The series itself plus any supporting material you read explains it to you that their mothers souls are in the EVA's with the exception of EVA 00.

They removed her mother, the one she wanted attention from. So yes, they did.

NERV's scheme was separating the child from the mother, and putting the soul of the mother into the EVA. That's a fact. For Asuka, who is shown PRIOR to her mother disappearing for good, is shown to want and crave her validation and is upset when she can't get it. She comes running to her mother when NERV has told her she's "special", not her father.

The facts are also that realistically, Asuka has no real say in any of this. She didn't get selected because she was skilled, but because she was part of a mother/daughter combo they could use. They'd still enroll her in the EVA program due to the massive investments done already.

I don't think this is a theory at all, it's a direct retelling of what actually happened in the story. You are on the other hand, proposing a theory that suggest NERV never did anything on purpose and everything was an accident and that instead of the established reasons for putting mothers into EVA's, it was just "accidents". Regardless of whether or not you thought this was intentional or not, the facts remain that NERV did make use of this situation anyway. They didn't just randomly choose to continue with Asuka as a pilot.

edited 18th Feb '18 5:39:54 AM by Nanrel

amitakartok on 18th Feb '18 4:54:42 AM

Rather than confirmation bias, if he can't defend his position in an argument, then he has no business defending his revert either. The same goes for everyone else, including me.

As in, the way it's written on the forum or the changes themselves? Because I've seen only one criticism of the argumentation laid forth so far by raziel365, which doesn't hold up because s/he claims that "screwed up" somehow details this:

Check out https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=ec60ujase6446rkkaaz0ntl6&page=382#9531 . The problem I'm seeing is that certain users are reacting to their favorite character not being sold as the "best pilot". Did they ever consider whether or not that was entirely true?

edited 18th Feb '18 5:16:31 AM by Nanrel

I mean the argument right here. I don't particularly care who wins this argument because as long as the character page is open for public edits, someone at some time will overwrite it anyway.

I do, however, care about the tone this argument has taken. You, all of you, are no longer debating. You're bickering. Both sides are coming across to me as uncompromising zealots pointing fingers at each other; even if I had something to pitch in with, I'd still stay silent because it's completely pointless (and if I was on the site staff, I'd edit-lock the character page for good measure - but I'm not, which is a good thing).

In other words, it doesn't matter whether you're right or wrong if your attitude alienates the very audience whose support you are seeking.

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Got ninja'd by staff. Good.

edited 18th Feb '18 5:31:53 AM by amitakartok

Deadbeatloser 22 Claiming that I'm bashing characters, only made the edits due to personal bias and more does definitely count as insults. This is done in both edit reasons and PM's, as you can see yourself. You can perfectly well disagree with the edits I made without implying I don't like Anno or otherwise - because that IS insulting.

We can't have a situation where people consistently refuse to address argumentation or make dishonest counter arguments, such as shown earlier.

edited 18th Feb '18 5:42:17 AM by Nanrel

Amitakartok

I'm not really seeking people's support as much as I wanted to discuss edits without being subject to the kind of uncompromising zealotry you describe. I've already gone back on various issues, making edits myself where I've seen the others point, and plan to continue on doing that. I don't see myself as uncompromising.

That's why I've laid forth bullet points explaining the advantages of disadvantages, none of which are challenged. An edit war and edit locking has been avoided by trying to discuss instead of just making edits.

I fear that the next time someone tries to overwrite it, they get met with the same hysterical reaction and the cycle starts over again.

edited 18th Feb '18 5:45:46 AM by Nanrel

Did you make sure that the page has been reverted to the last version before this quasi-Edit War began? Just wanted to make sure, that's all.

edited 18th Feb '18 6:28:16 AM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Willbyr

But that's blatantly not true at all. I have very clearly elaborated on my points, which as of yet, neither you or anyone else have been able to address without accusing me of bias. Of course that's insulting! That is the cause of the escalation, and I am not the one making those accusations first.

Locking the page won't solve the issue here. I have no intention of making any further edits until this matter is resolved, and this only makes it worse for others, obviously.

I will agree with you if you actually provide some form of valid counter, not just further accusasions. Believe it or not, even if it's multiple people or one person, being accused of bias when it's not true IS insulting. What's worse is that you don't explain why or argue your own case.

Keep in mind that your own allegation that I respond with "No you!"-type of posts only makes it directly clear that I was insulted FIRST.

edited 18th Feb '18 7:12:02 AM by Nanrel

I'm gonna copy and paste this from a reddit post, but I started watching the show!

After almost a year of procrastinating, I watched episodes one, two, and three of the show. I watched it dubbed (heresy, I know), and I thought it was pretty good so far. I may watch it subbed as well to compare, but since I’m new to this anime thing, I haven’t really watched much shows subbed yet. I know that it gets more bleak and fucked up near the ending (especially End Of Evangelion), as I have let my self be spoiled by it. However, that actually makes me more excited to watch more of the show, so I can have a better understanding of the plot, and so I might (probably) get a better grasp at what’s happening. I hope it lives up to my expectations, and I hope it becomes a favorite of mine.

edited 25th Feb '18 4:20:30 PM by Jackpatkinson4

Hi

Evangelion has a pretty good dub, especially for its time.

Mega Man fanatic extraordinaire

This. I watched the dub first for both TV and Rebuild (well, except for 3.0 cause, well, you know) and actually prefer it, since those are the voices I associate the characters with. Also cause I’ve met Tiffany Grant and she’s awesome.

Eva actually marks the point in history where I’m willing to start giving dubs in general a fair shot. Anything from before the mid-90s I default to sub unless the dub has really good word of mouth.

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Agreed, I've watched EVA dubbed, and liked it.

It's not one of the shows where I can't watch in subs ^note (like Hx H, Trigun, or Cowboy Bebop) but it's still quite decent.

edited 25th Feb '18 7:12:53 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

The bloopers for the dub are hilarious.

Shinji's Rant from the final episode of NGE.

Any excuse to post this.

I like that one. Evangelion is confusing and convoluted.

"Thanos is a happy guy! Just look at the smile in his face!"

Not really, when you get right down to it.

Boogie Pop Phantom, on the other hand....

Watch Symphogear

Whoa! All this drama I missed.

What I find funny about the talk of Boogiepop Phantom and how obtuse it is, is the fact that it really isn't. One of the main misconceptions people have is that it's supposed to be a stand-alone anime, but it's really a continuation of the light novels. If you read the relevant ones (which btw aren't obtuse at all either) before watching Phantom, then the story is actually surprisingly straightforward.

edited 28th Feb '18 5:39:52 PM by Draghinazzo

I can't watch NGE dubbed...while I'm sure it's fitting for the character, Spike Spencer's Shinji voice doesn't just grate on my nerves, it takes a belt sander to them.

Considering I can’t help but hear Nagito Komaeda when I hear Japanese Shinji now, I t becomes more preferable for me to watch the dub.

Watch Symphogear

It does have a sense of irony that Shinji’s VA is the same for Naegi Makoto AKA Ultimate Hope.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.

Same here, but my VA of contention is Misato's. Her voice is just fine while she's speaking in a level voice, but when she starts yelling... yeesh.