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CountDorku Since: Jan, 2001
#224676: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:15:57 AM

Yeah but some of us will start celebrating it at the 9000 milestone. I simply know it.

Now I want a Stephen Jay Gould book called Questioning the 9000, discussing whether memeing should happen at 9000 or 9001.

Of course, given that Stephen Jay Gould is dead, without time travel or cloning this is going to be difficult.

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#224677: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:20:45 AM

It should happen at 9001. That's the point where it is officially and literally over 9000, and thus memeing can begin.

If it happens before then, at 9000, it doesn't make much sense. At that point you are in 9000, and not yet over.

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#224678: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:29:53 AM

[up]Said the guy who was agreeing to celebrate it on 9000.

But I loved the trolls >:( how can they be cut off a movie if they're the ones to make the human universe, to give it cancer and apocalypse, to help the kids and to provide the witchy disc two boss? Also everything between KK, John and Dave was pure gold.

@Keybreak: lol.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#224679: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:36:59 AM

I'm not sure what I would suggest cutting out, in all honesty. A lot of the character interaction and development would have to go.

It's been fun.
Elfive Since: May, 2009
#224680: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:39:16 AM

Also pretty much the entire plot.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#224681: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:49:18 AM

Yeah. There's just no way to squeeze everything in; it'd be like trying to fit a horse into a matchbox, with similarly gory results.

It's been fun.
Keybreak Since: Apr, 2010
#224682: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:53:43 AM

What if it's that tiny unexplained Maplehoof.

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#224683: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:59:57 AM

A normal sized cosmic horse represents the whole plot. That tiny Maplehoof would be the movie plot. Almost nothing.

InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#224684: Oct 8th 2015 at 11:13:26 AM

Personally, Homestuck is waaaaay too big for a single movie at this point, and I'm pretty sick of multi part movies (of which Homestuck'd probably need to rival if not surpass Harry Potter in length, which would be effectively impossible to justify to any producer. "Okay I'll just need you to be okay with ordering 9 or so films to make over the next decade or so for this webcomic that a lot of people like though even one act'll be near impossible to adapt in any capacity never even mind the whole story"

The sheer amount of cuts and changes that'd need to be made to Homestuck to justify it as a movie would far outstrip any adaption of any film, ever. I don't think there's even a reference point for the sheer level of editing down that a Homestuck film adaption would require just to fit it under 2 hours, nevermind actually adapting all the pop culture references, internet parts, frequent cuts to other storylines, and whatever the fuck you call the retcon-affairs (which I have a hard time justifying in a medium as unique as Homestuck's multimedia comic format, in a film it'd be a Deus ex Machina no matter how you cut it), never even mind the fact that MOST OF THE PRIMARY CHARACTERS DO NOT PHYSICALLY INTERACT FOR OVER HALF OF THE STORY. THERE IS NO SPOKEN DIALOGUE BETWEEN CHARACTERS UNTIL ACT SIX. I can't even stress how many movie sins this tallies up to.

Forget the trolls, you'd probably wind up cutting most the story that happens past Act 4, and by that point you're just writing a generic RPG story plot anyways (a plotline that has long since worn out what little welcome it had in film to begin with). Then you'd have to cut out all the profanity to squeeze it in under the PG-13 rating, you'd probably have to change how the Medium itself works, and don't even THINK about trying to make it Live Action.

Personally, if Homestuck was to be adapted into any other medium outside Video Games, I'd say Western Animation. I don't think that the industry is yet ready for a story that's as definitely-not-for-kids-but-also-has-a-distinct-teenage-appeal as Homestuck while still not being completely comedic. We're still waist deep in the Animation Age Ghetto and I'm not sure how long it'll stay there. But if it WERE possible, then it'd need to be a very loose adaption. Throw out Act 1, forget the entire idea of the characters getting stuck on their own adventures. By the end of the first episode we need more than one character meeting the others. Maybe it's just John and Rose, it doesn't matter. We need physical character interaction.

From there it needs to go on its own adventure, because so many of the things in Homestuck are reliant on the medium. So I'm not even sure if it'd even vaguely resemble Homestuck by the time it roughly got to this point in the story.

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#224685: Oct 8th 2015 at 11:14:27 AM

why not movies for every Act, Act Act, and every Intermission and Intermission Intermissions and Intermission Intermission Intermissions?

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#224686: Oct 8th 2015 at 12:03:16 PM

That'd still be around 20 movies. Not to mention a real glitchy SBAHJ moive.

Remember my line about beheading anybody who changes the deep multiversal core structure of that wonderful thing that Homestuck is though.

Ahem, I've made up my mind anyway. Homestuck just isn't suitable for traditional old media. We really, really, really need some sort of alien tech enhancements that turn the Earth into an internet-dominated planet to allow every great story to be a medium-crushing webcomic/video game/anime/whatever mix.

I sincerely admire Horseass Trollssie for what he did. He managed to create a new way to tell stories. A story that would belong in a future where mankid has thrown away PG-ratings, internet prejudices and all that stuff since a long time. Homestuck is basically the ur example of future stories. Everyone will write crazy stuff like that in some centuries. And we better freeze Nick Cage for that future SBAHJ Moive.

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#224687: Oct 8th 2015 at 12:21:26 PM

[up][up][up] That's my plan, make it animated. I already have an idea for an original animated series that, hopefully in a few years (once I gain enough experience writing), me and a friend of mine (who is an artist) can pitch to a cable network. I'd pitch the idea for all of you, but I'm still working on story details and such. I intend on finally breaking the animation age ghetto with it, but this is currently a pipe dream until I get finished with my college classes.

Either way, my plan for adapting Homestuck is to make it into a animated series that will try to be as faithful as possible, but at the same time will have to change certain things to adapt to a new medium. For one, the pesterlogs will have to be changed to some form of verbal communication (I mentioned earlier making them similar to Bluetooth). If we're going to have more face-to-face interactions between characters, then we run into a bit of a problem, however. I mean, it could work without that much face to face interaction until the story gets to Act 6, so I guess the best thing to do would be to try and wait until the story gets to that point. I've been flirting around with the idea of the designs for the headsets in place of the pesterlogs including a camera type device to allow for at least some form of face to face chat, a la Skype. I'm still working on it, give it time.

Either way, I'm not giving up on the idea of making it into an animated series, and if I have to get Hussie himself to help me make it, than I shall do just that. At one point, it was said they could never make The Lord of the Rings into a movie, and Peter Jackson proved them wrong. So too shall I prove you all wrong.

And I'll get it on HBO so that it can be commercial free. If I'm gonna cram the plot of Homestuck in there, then I'd need to make it commercial free anyways. I'm not wasting any time in the final product.

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MetaFour Since: Jan, 2001
#224688: Oct 8th 2015 at 3:13:58 PM

That'd still be around 20 movies. Not to mention a real glitchy SBAHJ moive.
By Jove, that's it! Forget all that nonsense about trolls and SBURB and Lord English and the fate of the multiverse. Just make SBAHJ the moive.

Then, when that earns all the money (all of it) and wins every award ever, make sequels. Sequels forever!

CountDorku Since: Jan, 2001
#224689: Oct 8th 2015 at 4:38:28 PM

The problem is that we know SBAHJ hte movovie is a prelude to the apocalypse.

InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#224690: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:21:06 PM

[up][up][up] It will not work without it. All of Homestuck is either overlong rambling narration or long drawn out pesterlogs, with little downtime in between. You'd wind up with entire episodes spent going over drawn out pesterlogs with the rest of the episode consisting of characters stumbling around in either silence or drawn out hamfisted narration. When pesterlogs happen, the plot and the motion suddenly grinds to a halt, and when pesterlogs stop from happening, the plot is driven mostly by the narration.

When you convert Homestuck to an animated series you suddenly loose the ability to abuse narration to the extent that Hussie does. I know it's been a while since we've gotten fully fledged narration but for most of the first half of Homestuck and quite a bit of the next fourth (Act 6) narration was what drove the plot forward, spelling out the thoughts of the characters in a manner that more or less eliminated the need for long drawn out conversations.

Can you even imagine a script for that?

[Long, rambling, conversation during with little to no actual plot progression]

[Drawn out silent segment with character dicking around with cans in a regular environment with the occasional plot relevant thing happening]

It'd be like half of the show is like a drawn out MGS Codec Call and the other half is a black and white silent comedy. This only works with Homestuck because Homestuck (and indeed, all of MSPA) works on a style aping traditional text point and click Adventure Games, where you could get away with long segments without dialogue because those would be the scenes where the player was actually playing the game, dicking around and seeing what could be done. It'd be like trying to adapt World 1-1 of Super Mario Bros into a fully fledged episode of a script, it just doesn't work.

A direct adaption of Homestuck isn't hard because Homestuck's a unique special snowflake or because it's incredibly long and obtuse (though in many ways it is both). A direct adaption of Homestuck is hard because so much of it is reliant on that central idea of playing a video game, something that can only really be translated through Homestuck's long and sprawling and drawn out narratives inter cut by even longer and more sprawling pesterlogs. The occasional bit of spoken communication won't fix that at all.

Also, you strongly underestimate just how much of Homestuck there is to adapt. Act 1-4 is roughly the same length as Act 5. Act 5 is about the same length as from A 6 A 1 to A 6 I 5, which will eventually only be slightly larger than A 6 A 6. And A1-A3 could fill an entire season all its own, as it would be with A4, A51, A52, A61-A63, A 6 I 3-A 6 I 5, and so on. If it takes three seasons and a movie (or even more) to get to the point where characters actually start talking to each other face to face, there is something seriously wrong.

I'm not saying you need to cut out the meta-jokes, or the witty writing, or the snarky conversations, or the constant time skips, or the grandiose scale, or any of it. But you need to convert all of that into a format that can work within a primarily action and dialogue driven medium as opposed to something like video games that can run off long periods of low meaningless dialogue less action.

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#224691: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:26:02 PM

[up] Admittedly I'd rather wait until Homestuck is actually finished before going ahead and adapting it, but I will never give up on that dream.

It WILL work as a TV series, mark my words! They said it was impossible to make Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas into a movie, but they did, narration and all! I shall make it into a work of awe and wonder, and you will all kneel before me and throw me your money, all of your money!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

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CountDorku Since: Jan, 2001
#224692: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:34:34 PM

This gives me the terrible idea of combining Homestuck and Fear and Loathing.

(I have neither watched nor read Fear and Loathing, but I've absorbed the generalities from wiki-walking, clips, parodies and so forth.)

KARKAT: WE WERE SOMEWHERE AROUND LOHAC, ON THE EDGE OF THE MEDIUM, WHEN THE TRICKSTER MODE BEGAN TO TAKE HOLD.
DAVE: youre narrating again
KARKAT: SHUT UP.

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#224693: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:37:14 PM

[up] WE CAN'T STOP HERE. THIS IS SCRATCH COUNTRY.

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#224694: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:41:17 PM

If they can make The Screwtape Letters into a movie (and a good movie at that), I'd be a lot less skeptical about an HS movie. Screwtape and Homestuck are both very different, but by its very nature Screwtape just wouldn't work as a movie unless it was severely reworked.

And then severely reworked again to not be shit.

CountDorku Since: Jan, 2001
#224695: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:45:29 PM

I WAS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A FUCKING SCALEBEAST ZOO. AND SOMEONE WAS GIVING FAYGO TO THESE GODDAMN THINGS!

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#224696: Oct 8th 2015 at 6:01:01 PM

[up][up] Looks like I have something I'm gonna want to read now. C.S. Lewis was a very smart and talented man, and frankly that sounds like an interesting book of his. I never got into much of his works outside of Narnia anyways (and I haven't read those books since middle school).

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#224697: Oct 8th 2015 at 6:27:15 PM

Hold the fuck up, are they making a Screwtape Letters movie? I freaking loved that book (?).

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#224698: Oct 8th 2015 at 6:30:42 PM

[up] No, but Fox has the movie rights. It's apparently been in development hell for...like, ever.

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#224699: Oct 8th 2015 at 6:32:22 PM

Oh. Fox. Doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

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#224700: Oct 8th 2015 at 6:33:46 PM

[up] Why? I'm not really up to date with these movie studios, what is it about Fox that people don't like?

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