The Military Thread

wow...thats crazy. makes sense though.

the moral of the story- turn your e-cigarettes off!

Or never smoke in the first place. Works for me.

Meanwhile, on the mil side of things, what do folks think will be the new British rifle, assuming the rumour is true and they do go ahead and bin the Son of the Abomination in 2015?

I'll go with the HK416, based on the M4 Carbine (not the Sherman!), but improved with the G36 mechanism. It's used in quite a few countries, including Norway, Poland and Netherlands, mostly with Special Forces. Allegedly, the 7.62mm version, the HK417, is in use with the SAS.

There's no allegedly. Here's a photo of an SFSG team.◊ One of the guys in the front row has a 417.

Interestingly, that photo was posted originally on one site by a "Teufel" — anyone we know?

If we get it, we should not fuck around with the shorter length barreled versions. Go straight for the D 20 RS model. As seen here:

http://weaponland.ru/load/shturmovaja_vintovka_avtomat_heckler_koch_hk416/10-1-0-20

To read it though, you must read in Russian. You must read in Russian.

No that would not be me. I have never visited that site before.

Or I am totally lieing and hiding information. :P

Or both.

Shhhh don't give up the game just yet. I don't have my license to kill back after the farmer and his horse incident.

Talk about Noodle Implements

edited 6th Sep '12 5:48:33 PM by Joesolo

I keep thinking that barbecue was involved. Horse meat, that should be good.

Double post.

This is so sweet. That yelping sound is just so adorable!

Rumors: F/A-18s in Clark? Can anyone confirm?

Not rumors: A submarine tender, the USS Frank Cable, docked a few days ago (Sept 3) in Subic. A submarine, the USS Hawaii, docked today (Sept 7).

Damn, I missed the anime discussion. Was going to suggest that Jormungand was cool.

As for Superbugs at Clark, I haven't heard anything about that but it's totally plausible given the territorial pressure that the Philippines are under now from China.

I think I prefer the 16.5" HK416 as a compromise between CQB capability and Long-range dropping power.

Ah yeah, Jormungand is awesome. I only watched like, what, two episodes though.

What a piece of ship.

That ship was just made of fail.

Yeah, seen that before. Poor fuckers on that ship, never caught a single break

And I thought the Whackiest Ship in the Army was the funniest story ever told about a combat ship, 8-)

On the barrel length issue, nope, short barrels don't do it for me. Combat experience in Afghanistan and Iraq, reported from the perspective of those who have fought there, (unlike me), says that 5.56 NATO needs all the help it can get. That is why I thought dumping the M16 A4 rifle and introducing the M4 Carbine in the first place was a completely stupid idea.

Well, got back from our training session this week. It was fun.

The host unit had no fucking clue what it was doing, but because every SF unit in California(4 of them) was present, there was an element of pride at stake, in a way. We were all sort of showing off. The thing my unit is proudest of, however, more than any other quality, is our ability to drink absolutely copious amounts of alcohol while staying up until the early AM, getting 3-4 hours of sleep, and being up, functional, and completely on time for duty. Which we did. Every fucking night. In the words of a troop from the Fresno unit who I went to a previous exercise with "How the fuck do you guys do it?" I also rode the lightning via taser, and got to shoot some cool less than lethal rounds out of our M870 shotguns.(The fin stabilized ones that shoot a big rubber slug, and the 18 rubber pellet 12 gauge rounds)

The purpose of this training was riot control, so we spent all of it training with less than lethal, hand to hand apprehension techniques, and maintaining cohesion in a shield wall. The last day when we got real with the shield wall was great. The opfor guys playing protestors were from another unit, and they were super aggressive and violent towards us(and ignored the "Bang bang" noises our guys made when we were simulating firing less than lethal rounds at them..) and despite being told not to hurt them since it's just an exercise, we got frustrated and matched them for violence. The result was a rather large brawl involving tangles of batons and shields on top of people and a whole lot of beat up people on both sides, but we definitely won the exchange. I got grabbed by two huge ass dudes and dragged around in the dirt for a bit though(I was on the far edge of the shield wall, holding up the flank, so I was rather vulnerable) but I covered my upper body with my shield and just kicked the shit out of the guys who kept trying to come and drag me further from the riot line until backup came and helped me out.

The brass were pissed that we got so violent(on both sides) but the response from all of the actual troops was positive, getting all crazy like that was fun and I haven't heard anyone from the enlisted side say anything to the contrary. It also really simulated the realism and chaos of an actual riot.

Good times.

Well done, Barkey. Glad you enjoyed yourself and got back alive.

Because, ya know, not everyone on military exercises manages that.

I got a video on my phone of me being tased, that'll be a good work story.

For all of our drinking aptitude, I was the only person who came forward and let himself be tased. 10 seconds at full NMI.

Would rather not do that again.

yea, doesnt sound like fun.

Ten seconds of tasering? Holy mother of conductivity, Batman, I'd buy you a drink for that but it sounds like you've had plenty.

What do people think of the ''Spearhead''-class Joint High Speed Vessel*

That actually looks pretty cool. If they can transport an entire fully equipped company plus attached vehicles at around 40 knots in all weather conditions, it would be an extremely useful bit of kit as well as looking modernly schmexy.

No word on weapons fit (for self defence) though...