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This thread is for tropers who have trouble with English and would like some help with the crazy grammar of this crazy language.

Write down what you wish to edit on the wiki. If you have been suspended from editing, another troper might be kind enough to edit for you after your suggestions have been corrected.

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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM

DarkConfidant Since: Aug, 2011
#401: Jun 7th 2012 at 8:42:26 AM

* Basic Trope: Two characters who were lovers in a previous life meet again and fall in love.
* Played Straight: AliceAndBob are StarCrossedLovers who can’t be together due to the war between their countries. They commit double suicide to be TogetherInDeath, but instead they are reborn and reunited in a future lifetime.
* Exaggerated: AliceAndBob are in a group marriage with Lucy, Jack and Ichigo. They fall in love in every one of their reincarnations.
* Justified:
** The Gods decide that AliceAndBob deserve a second chance. They send their souls back to Earth and arrange for them to be reborn close to one another, so they can meet again and fall in love.
** Bob and Susan are reborn with all of their old memories, so they are still in love, actively seeking each other out.
* Inverted: ???
* Subverted: Alice only thinks she was Bob’s lover in her previous life. They were actually siblings.
* Double Subverted:
** Alice and Bob were NotBloodSiblings but they bond over time spent together and end up HappilyMarried.
** Alternately, Alice and Bob actually were brother and sister, but they didn’t care and started a relationship anyway.
* Parodied: A fortune teller tells Bob about his tragic love story in a previous life, but promises him an epic romance in this one with the same person. He is excited to meet his destined lover only to become terribly embarrassed, when it turns out Alice is now an old friend, or now male.
* Deconstructed:
** Alice comes back many years after Bob is reborn. When they finally meet there is a big age difference between them and society is not going to accept the relationship. They end up as StarCrossedLovers again as a result.
** Bob is already married to Stacy when he meets Alice again. Through he does love her back, feelings he had for his wife are still there. It leads to a situation in which Bob is torn between two women he loves. Stacy is angry and confused over her husband suddenly leaving her for an unknown woman and Alice desperately tries to keep Bob at her side. It all ends up in another tragedy.
** Alice and Bob wait for each other but they never meet, as they were born on opposite sides of the world.
* Reconstructed:
** Alice and Bob decide to reject social norms and get married anyway. In the next life they somehow make sure to be reborn at the same time and live HappilyEverAfter.
** After some Character Development and bonding moments Alice and Stacy work out their problems. They agree to share Bob between themselves. For some reason Stacy is reincarnated to continue their triangular relationship through future lives.
** Alice and Bob, guided by the PowerOfLove, finally find each other.
* Played with: ???
* Averted: Alice and Bob were never lovers, in this life or any other.
* Enforced: “We need to add some tragedy to our romance and show how much these two are destined for each other. Let's reincarnate them and have them be StarCrossedLovers in the next life too.
* Lampshaded: “So we are reincarnated lovers? No wonder we jumped at each other so fast. A few hundred years of separation tends to do this to people."
* Invoked: Alice and Bob want to be reunited in their future life so they go through a special soul-bonding ritual.
* Defined: ???
* Discussed: “Isn’t it surprising how well these two seem to know each other, even though they've been talking for just ten minutes? Maybe they had meet in the previous life.”
* Conversed: “I can bet they are going to make Alice and Bob reincarnated lovers. It’s an only explanation for these strange dreams and flashbacks. “
* Played For Laugh: ???
* Played For Drama: ???

You should be able to just copy/paste this straight in.

edited 7th Jun '12 8:44:21 AM by DarkConfidant

desdendelle (Avatar by Coffee) from Land of Milk and Honey (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Writing a love letter
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#402: Jun 25th 2012 at 1:29:27 PM

Grammatical question: do I capitalise the first letter after a colon?

The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground
DarkConfidant Since: Aug, 2011
#403: Jun 25th 2012 at 1:32:21 PM

As a general rule, no, unless the word would be capitalized otherwise:

I have a few things to get at the grocery store: milk, eggs, bread, and squick.

edited 25th Jun '12 1:32:41 PM by DarkConfidant

desdendelle (Avatar by Coffee) from Land of Milk and Honey (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Writing a love letter
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#404: Jun 25th 2012 at 1:34:54 PM

Thanks. So my last post was grammatically correct, right?

The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground
DarkConfidant Since: Aug, 2011
#405: Jun 25th 2012 at 1:36:42 PM

I'm not sure, but I think that you do capitalize the word "do" since it's the first word of a sentence.

Someone with more expertise in the field want to chime in?

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#406: Jun 25th 2012 at 3:24:21 PM

If the colon is followed by a complete sentence, yes.

However, as with many so-called rules of punctuation, the most important thing is consistency.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
desdendelle (Avatar by Coffee) from Land of Milk and Honey (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Writing a love letter
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#407: Jun 25th 2012 at 3:32:08 PM

So, if I have a fragment after a colon, I don't capitalise (eg 'As he said: flawless') but if it's a complete sentence, I do (eg 'he said: You must not disobey your superiors')?

The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground
DarkConfidant Since: Aug, 2011
#408: Jun 25th 2012 at 3:34:54 PM

Pretty much, but as was said, consistency is the most important thing.

desdendelle (Avatar by Coffee) from Land of Milk and Honey (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Writing a love letter
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#409: Jun 25th 2012 at 3:35:40 PM

Thanks.

The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground
RandomChaos No Dragon Power from My own little world Since: Oct, 2011
No Dragon Power
#410: Jun 27th 2012 at 1:01:29 PM

Need a bit added to TMMV on Men In Black

Complete Monster: Boris the animal, from the third movie. He commits several murders; when his girlfriend helped him escape from prison, he left her to her death; also, upon escape he deliberately uses time travel to go back before his arrest, not to commit fewer murders but to be more careful to get away with them, and also to get rid of those who would stop him from summoning an alien invasion, which in one "potential future" he actually went through with.

edited 27th Jun '12 1:02:41 PM by RandomChaos

With the power of a dragon I can make up for my inability to spill.
DarkConfidant Since: Aug, 2011
#411: Jun 27th 2012 at 1:02:31 PM

Has this gone through the Monster Cleanup thread first?

RandomChaos No Dragon Power from My own little world Since: Oct, 2011
No Dragon Power
#412: Jun 27th 2012 at 1:03:04 PM

Sorry what?

With the power of a dragon I can make up for my inability to spill.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#413: Jun 27th 2012 at 1:05:03 PM

The Special Efforts thread about Complete Monster. All examples should go through that thread.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
DarkConfidant Since: Aug, 2011
#414: Jun 27th 2012 at 1:06:03 PM

There is a thread in Special Efforts here for discussion pertaining to cleanup of the CM trope due to massive Trope Decay.

RandomChaos No Dragon Power from My own little world Since: Oct, 2011
No Dragon Power
#415: Jun 27th 2012 at 1:06:13 PM

It's already there I'm adding the bet on the end do I still need two?

With the power of a dragon I can make up for my inability to spill.
Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#416: Jun 27th 2012 at 2:17:41 PM

That's a bad edit for a number of reasons. First, it's improper Example Indentation. Second, we generally try to keep the Complete Monster writeups as concise as possible (because they tend to be long enough anyhow), and the fact that he goes back on his deals is rather irrelevant to his being a Complete Monster. So it shouldn't be added to the page.

And regarding the actual purpose of this thread, the first word in a sentence should always be capitalized.

serialkillerwhale Since: Feb, 2012
#417: Jul 4th 2012 at 1:52:56 AM

Can someone help me with my English? (was linked here)

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#418: Jul 4th 2012 at 1:59:51 AM

[up]You'll need to post something for us correct. We can't just tell you how to write anythign.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
serialkillerwhale Since: Feb, 2012
#419: Jul 4th 2012 at 2:57:32 AM

Ok

hows that?

edited 4th Jul '12 3:00:27 AM by serialkillerwhale

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#420: Jul 4th 2012 at 3:05:53 AM

Crowning Moment Of Funny. And posting actual examples is better. It's How's that not Hows that.

The bullet point usage is better than most.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
serialkillerwhale Since: Feb, 2012
#421: Jul 4th 2012 at 3:10:36 AM

How's that?

edited 4th Jul '12 3:11:30 AM by serialkillerwhale

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#422: Jul 4th 2012 at 3:16:42 AM

"just filled with these:" is Word Cruft. Alice remarks that this...

him. Hilarity Ensues.

Also needs some more punctuation.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
serialkillerwhale Since: Feb, 2012
#423: Jul 4th 2012 at 3:24:40 AM

How's that?

Note, I'm just copy-pasting my old one and editing it.

edited 4th Jul '12 3:26:08 AM by serialkillerwhale

Telcontar In uffish thought from England Since: Feb, 2012
In uffish thought
#424: Jul 4th 2012 at 3:34:49 AM

That's quite good. You need a colon after "Funny" on the first line, and another at the end of the second line. The second line should probably be "Episode 3 had two of these:", again to reduce words.

That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
serialkillerwhale Since: Feb, 2012
#425: Jul 4th 2012 at 3:50:14 AM

How's that?

edited 4th Jul '12 7:54:56 AM by serialkillerwhale


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