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Thank you.
I have two candidates from the film Arena Big Bad Logan, and The Brute Kaden:
Who are Logan and Kaden and what do they do?
Logan runs the Deathgames, an illegal web show where people are kidnapped and forced to fight. He has his henchmen capture people around the world and force them to compete in brutal fights that are shown on the internet. If the loser is still alive, the audience votes on if the loser should live or die. If the winner refuses to finish the loser off when death is chosen, they are tasered and taken away while Kaden, one of Logan's main henchmen, decapitates the loser. Before the victims are made to fight, they are tortured by Kaden and the other henchmen to have their wills to resist broken. This torture includes waterboarding. The victims are also stripped of their names and forced to go by monikers like Death Dealer. When asked their names, if they don't answer with their monikers, they are beaten by Kaden.
When protagonist David Lord is kidnapped, he discovers that another prisoner named Taiga was forced to fight under the threat of his wife being killed. David becomes Taiga's friend. David is made to fight someone. After winning the fight, he tries to help the injured man using his medical experience, making a tourniquet for him. After the audience votes for the man to die, Kaden comes in to decapitate the man, and attacks David for trying to help the man. David lashes out and kicks Kaden in the belly, so after Kaden kills the loser, he prepares to kill David on the spot, though Logan stops Kaden by saying that David can still be controlled.
Logan offers David a deal: If David wins 9 more fights and kills all of the losers, Logan will let him go. Before making the deal though, Logan brings up the fact that David's pregnant wife recently died in a car crash. David rejects the deal.
To get David to fight, Kaden tells David that if he does not kill his next opponent in three minutes, Taiga's wife will be killed. A screen is shown, revealing Taiga's wife bound to a chair and held at knife point, to prove that the threat is real. David fights his opponent, whose face is hidden. After David defeats the opponent, it is revealed that it is Taiga. Kaden had told Taiga that if he didn't kill David in three minutes, his wife would be killed. Taiga's wife would be killed if they were both still alive after three minutes, so Kaden (presumably under Logan's orders) told them both that they had to kill the other. The time limit runs out, and while Taiga has been defeated, both he and David are still alive, so the wife has her throat slit. David ends Taiga's life in a mercy killing.
Enraged at Kaden and Logan for this heinous act, David tells Logan that he will accept the deal on the condition that the last opponent be Kaden. Logan accepts the condition.
David kills six more fighters, bringing the total to eight. Now starting to fear David, Kaden goes behind Logan's back and has a group of henchmen slaughter the staff of a prison transport vehicle and kidnap the criminal, spree killer Brutus Jackson, believing that a killer like him will easily defeat David.
Logan is initially displeased with this action, as now the cops will be looking even harder for them, but Kaden convinces him that the action will do good for them by proving to all viewers that the fights are real, and that a killer like Brutus Jackson will be a great fighter and really draw in views. Logan concedes to this logic, but mocks Kaden for his fear of David. Despite Logan being his boss, Kaden angrily begins to choke Logan, but relents.
Before the fight, David tells Milla, a henchwoman of Logan that has developed feelings for David, to contact his brother Sam, who he has not seen since the car accident. She does so, but Sam does not seem to want to hear from David.
After David kill Brutus, Logan, not wanting to keep his end of the deal, has a doctor create a serum to inject into David, which will slow him down and make him an easy victim for Kaden in their fight, to try and ensure that he loses and dies. Large crowds watch online as Kaden initially pummels David, but much to Logan's surprise, David begins to gain the heavy advantage.
As they fight, it is revealed through flash backs that "David Lord" is the assumed named of a secret government agent who was specifically sent to infiltrate The Deathgames. The phone call to "Sam" was in order to alert his superior, Agent Mc Carty about his location via phone tracing. It is also revealed that Milla secretly switched Logan's serum with a simple saline solution prior to the fight. A group of soldiers invade the facility and arrest Logan's henchmen. Filled with rage after defeating and killing Kaden, David hunts down Logan and corners him in a stockroom. As David is about to strike the deadly blow, soldiers arrive, snapping David out of his murderous fury. Logan escapes, but Mc Carty assures David that he will be caught.
Heinousness?
Logan kidnaps people and has them beaten and tortured by Kaden before forcing them to fight others. If the losers survive, and the audiences vote to have them killed, and the winner refuses, they will be tasered and taken away while Kaden finishes them off. He brings up David's wife's death just to hurt him, and he forced Taiga to fight by threatening to kill his wife. He eventually has Kaden trick Taiga and David into fighting under the threat of Taiga's wife being killed, before having her killed anyway after time runs out. He also tries to rig David's final match so he is assured to lose and he does not have to keep his part of the deal.
Kaden is the one in charge of torturing the victims and breaking their spirits, as well as executing the losers if the audience demands so. His torture includes waterboarding the victims. Kaden is a vicious Psycho for Hire, loving his job. He has people beaten for not going by their monikers, and is shown to take much delight in telling David what will happen to Taiga's wife, saying that she will drown in her own blood. Kaden tries to kill David when he kicks him in the belly, and despite his brutality, is actually a Dirty Coward. When he comes to fear David, he has the staff of a prison transport vehicle slaughtered and the criminal kidnapped, believing that he will easily kill David. He even comes close to killing his boss at one point, when he nearly strangles Logan after he mocks him for being afraid of David.
Brutus Jackson's crimes are offscreen, so he does not really stack up to them.
Logan says that his father used to host fights in the backyard, and that seeing the fights is what inspired him to start the Deathgames. Not really a Freudian Excuse so much as an explanation of how he got started.
Kaden is just in it for the money and the fun of hurting people.
Redeeming Features?
Logan is in a three way relationship with his two bisexual female secretaries, Kaneko and Kawaii. At the climax, he tells them to send in the forces to try and hold off the FBI while he escapes. I don't know, on the one hand, he left them to be captured while he escaped, but on the other, they were completely okay with this.
Kaden has nothing redeeming to him at all.
jjj
Kaden and Logan were on my list. Yes to them.
Time for some writeups...I'll have three novel villains and an anime one up soon after:
- Kemono No Souja Erin: Duke Damiya is the scheming nephew of the High Queen Harimiyah of Shin-Ou seeking to take the throne for himself.To this end, Damiya has Harimiyah assassinated, making his niece Seimiya the new queen, and frames her beloved Shunan for the incident, which makes the already tense situation between the nations Shin-Ou and Tai-Kou reach its breaking point as open war begins. Slowly isolating Seimiya from those who could help her, Damiya manipulates her into agreeing to marry him for political power. Blackmailing heroine Erin into helping him weaponize a beast called the Ouju by threatening a school of children, Damiya begins having obstacles assassinated, only to poison his loyal assassin once the task is done. Seimiya reveals that Erin has provided her with proof of Damiya's treachery and orders his arrest, preparing to offer terms of peace with the Taiko's people. Unfortunately, Damiya he's already given the order for his private forces to take the Touda and massacre the incoming Tai-ko forces, thus kickstarting a full scale war between the kingdoms, during which he plans to use Erin to train him a massive and ravenous army of Ouju to dominate both kingdoms at their weakest.
- Legend of Heavenly Sphere Shurato: Shiva, the secret Big Bad, is the ruler of the Asura forces, sealed away thousands of years ago by the God Brahma for conspiring to overthrow the established order. Manipulating the goddess Vishnu's protector Indra into betraying her, Shiva later returns and promptly sacrifices countless thousands of her own forces just to test Vishnu's defenses. Once satisfied, Shiva begins attacking civilians with the Asura forces, killing all she can. Not satisfied, Shiva uses her powers to corrupt even more innocent people to set them after one another with more bloodshed. Revealing that Shurato's former best friend Gai was corrupted by her long ago, Shiva promptly kills Vishnu, followed by most of her army to absorb their powers and use her powers to seize on the darkness within all humans hearts, intending on wiping out everyone to showcase her supremacy.
- James Bond: Hammerhead: Victoria Hunt intends to usurp her father's company and take the railgun project Hammerhead for her own by having her father murdered. Secretly the underworld mastermind 'Kraken,' Victoria seduces Bond and arranges a nuke to be delivered to Yemen to be detonated there. When this fails, Victoria opts to nuke London to wipe the city and everyone in it off the map while blackmailing Britain's allies to fall behind her in a resurgent British Empire. Upon seeing the approach of British forces, Victoria has Hammerhead simply begin vaporizing all of them, intending to rule the world from the shadows in a brutal regime.
- Lady Killer: Irving is an elderly assassin who assists heroine Josie in defeating and escaping from the brutal assassin leader Stenholm. Upon confronting Stenholm himself, Irving tortures him to death before fleeing. Later teaming up with Josie to go into the assassination business as partners, Irving is revealed to an escaped criminal from Germany whose real name is Reinhardt. In Germany, Reinhardt would take payment from men, women and children seeking to flee the country before injecting them with cyanide to murder them, storing the corpses in his basement while he robbed their belongings. A revolted Josie attempts to break their partnership, only for Irving to murder her husband's boss to show he's not playing around. When Josie reiterates her desire for him to leave, Irving attempts to attack her home to kill her and her husband and children if they get caught in his path.
- Ironheart: Milverstead is an arms dealer who prefers to 'sweeten the pot' in his business dealings by providing women to his clients. To do this, Milverstead has dancers kidnapped from his clubs, holds them prisoner and addicts them to heroin before selling them into sexual slavery. When one cop closes in, Milverstead has him murdered before having his latest victim's boyfriend killed by his martial artist bodyguard Ice as 'practice'. When martial artist cop John Kreem investigates with the help of a single mother dancer friend of one of Milverstead's victims, Milverstead has her abducted, intending on selling her overseas where she will never see her daughter again before giving her a look at the women he's turned into junkies, smugly claiming that the heroin is to blame instead of him.
- The Juror: The mob hitman known as The Teacher, alias Mark Cordell, opens the film by assassinating a mark as well as his family including a little boy which leads to his boss indicted for the murder. Cozying up to the titular Juror of the film, Annie, Cordell blackmails her into getting his boss, Boffano, acquitted by threatening her son. Whenever Annie defies him, Cordell grows worse, at one point murdering a bystander and later killing Annie's friend by forcing her at gunpoint to take a fatal overdose of pills after sleeping with her. When Annie tries to reveal Cordell's ambitions to Boffano, Cordell murders Boffano and his men, ending by killing his former partner Eddie who was sympathetic to Annie's plight. Furious at Annie's 'betrayal,' Cordell reveals his intent to murder her son Oliver and later attempts to kill Annie when she tries to stop him.
- Year of the Dragon: Rising star of the Tongs Joey Tai has the chief Triad leader of Chinatown murdered before also executing an elderly Italian candy shop owner connected to the Italian mob for not paying protection money. Having his young proxies massacre a nightclub to sow unrest, Tai also has two of his loyal men killed after they're injured in the attack. Framing the Triads' heroin supplier White Powder Ma for the attack, Tai kills him and presents his head to the prime source in Thailand to inform them things have changed. Arranging for more potent drugs to be shipped directly so Tai can deal it to desperate junkies, Tai orders a hit on his nemesis police chief Stanley White and White's wife, killing the latter. He then has White's informant in his outfit killed and orders the gang rape interrogation of Stanley's reporter lover.
- Hellblazer: Subterranean: A centuries old sorcerer known as the Gloomlord, Iain Culley captured and tortured a powerful elemental known as Lord Stone to master an underground kingdom. Keeping humans enslaved below ground, used as labor and eventual food when their use runs out, Culley intends on expanding the kingdom. Starting by sinking the village Tonsell-By-The-Sea, Culley reveals he powers his kingdom and fuels his eternal youth by locking victims in devices that leech off their power and vitality, keeping them alive and in horrible pain. Not content with this kingdom, Culley intends to develop a plague to poison the earth's oceans, killing countless millions while forcing everyone else underground to be his slaves.
edited 16th Sep '17 5:49:56 PM by Lightysnake
Okay, so here's one Scraggle and I will double team...from the novel Wetbones by John Shirley.
The worst concerns a group of protagonists, including Reverend Garner, a recovering addict whose ministry caters in assisting others with their addictions....then his teenage daughter Constance goes missing, inspiring him to look for her. Especially at the same time that a serial killer called the 'Wetbones' killer has been stalking the streets, leaving nothing of his victims except piles of damp, red bones...
Let's talk out villain...Ephram Pixie.
Who Is He?
Don't let the name fuel you. Ephram is a small, unassuming man who was part of a group of addicts who discovered...otherworldly beings known as the Akishra, the masters of addiction who fuel it in living beings, driving them to self destructive impulses. The group formed a cult around the Akishra...but Ephram? Was unsatisfied serving anything. His sadism and depravity got worse and worse, and eventually, Ephram discovered what he knew as the Nameless Spirit, a being stronger than the Akishra (so he thought) that he pledged himself to. Striking out on his own, Ephram became a serial killer to feed his lust for murder. ...also mastering a very specific power he terms The Reward. Able to compel humans to do whatever he wishes them to, he can also control how they feel during it, allowing them to feel pleasure no matter what they're doing.
Killing multiple people in new and inventive ways, Ephram even plants the name Wetbones himself: summoning the Nameless Spirit, he offers the occasional victim to it which results in the unfortunate victim ripped apart from the inside out and left as a pile of bones. Upon meeting Constance, though? Ephram is fascinating by her good nature and innocence. Longing to corrupt her, her uses his powers to kidnap her before taking her on a cross-state killing spree. His usual game? Have Constance pick someone up, man or woman, where he controls the other victim to force them to have sex with Constance while he watches...before having Constance cut them apart. He also leaves her enough awareness to know what she's doing so her moral center is disgusted...while he also makes her feel pleasure at what she's doing. He also muses at making her mutilate herself with scissors while having her feel pleasure at it as well, while raping Constance himself at points. Finally, he begins inducting her into the Nameless Spirit, forcing her to witness him using the 'Wetbones' treatment on a prostitute.
Finally, Ephram ends up back with the cult he abandoned and is informed the Nameless Spirit is one of the Akishra, the strongest of them, to Ephram's fury and despair that he never managed to escape them. Upon the summoning of the Nameless Spirit, with no further need for Ephram, Ephram is painfully torn apart and explodes in agony once it finishes him off..
Heinous Standard?
Obliterates it. Ephram is a killer with a huge bodycount and a really sadistic one at that with a nightmarihs MO. He can force someone to enjoy cutting someone else apart, or enjoy being cut apart. Now, the cult and its leader are bad, and Scraggle will tackle him, but Ephram has the worst bodycount and has some nastier crimes in addition to that.
Mitigating Qualities?
Hell. To. The no. Ephram is a twisted, runty little psycho who's just resentful of anyone who has it better than him. He loves tormenting Constance, letting her keep her morality while he forces her to further depravity and making her enjoy it with The Reward. He wants badly to corrupt her and make her a reflection of himself.
The Akishra are no excuse either. Ephram knowingly tried to break away from them. Why? Because he hated the idea of being controlled.
Conclusion?
One of the most depraved sons of bitches I've proposed in ages here. An easy keeper.
The wifi here sucks
Never mind on Caellach, he has too many mitigating factors and doesn't match up with Valter in terms of heinousness.
Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
I'll get to my post in a little bit, but until then, Ephram is an easy keep. One of the most creatively depraved pieces of shit I've read in a long time.
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Logan and Kaden, Ehpram
Logan and Kaden, Ehpram
The Unknown
Somebody put a CM entry in YMMV.Octopath Traveler. Not only is the game not even a week old, it's just a demo right now.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Logan and Kaden, Ehpram
Logan Kaden Ephram Pixie.
Logan, Kaden, and Ephram Pixie.
to Kaden, Logan and especially Ephram Pixie, yikes (as homicidal mind-controlling sadistic hedonists go, he's got to be in the top five.)
edited 16th Sep '17 6:40:18 PM by MGD107
He reminds me a lot of Dr. Psycho. They're both mind-controllers who go out of their way to maximize their victims' trauma by not just forcing them to do horrible things but forcing them to enjoy doing horrible things.
Alright, so here's my part to contribute... the leader of the cult of the Akishra? Meet Samuel Denver, better known as the "More Man."
Who is the More Man? What has he done?
A film producer based in Malibu dogged by allegations of child molestation, Sam Denver is a man who's apparently lived for a very, very long time... having married a woman named Elma Judy Stutgart decades ago, Sam and her made a deal with a being known as the Akishra Prime to tap into their "pleasure centers." Now, how they accomplish this is a complicated and lurid process; kidnapping people from across the state, the More Man and his cult bring their victims to a place called the Doublekey Ranch and toss their victims into a green swimming pool filled with the wormlike Akishra, which proceed to forcibly invade and infest the victims and incubate inside of them. From there, the More Man stimulates their brains through the Akishra to have them associate agony with pleasure... and, following this, proceeds to organize horrific, debaucherous rituals with the unwilling and desperate victims, forcing them to torture, mutilate, and rape each other while releasing the ensuing pleasure towards the Akishra Prime. The Prime reroutes some of the pleasure towards the More Man, who feeds off of it and continues to live, making him a "pleasure vampire" of sorts. Those who survive the depraved rituals eventually have their pleasure centers worn out and are tossed away by the More Man to die, all while he continues the cycle of kidnapping people, forcing them to engage in horrible pleasure rituals, and tossing them away for his own pleasure.
One of the More Man's particular victims is a seventeen-year-old named Mitch, whom the More Man seduces to his side with the promise of a record deal. Having already infested Mitch with the Akishra, Mitch mutilates himself whilst in custody before the More Man has him brought back to the Doublekey Ranch through his minion the Handyman, keeping him locked in a small room while Mitch bears full witness to some of the More Man's rituals... dogs and cats being burned alive, a woman flaying herself on a table, and the More Man forcing an exhausted couple pleading him to stop to have sex with each other until they spew blood and keel over. Eventually, the More Man brings Mitch's girlfriend Eurydice to the Ranch... and then starts torturing them as well.
Upon learning of Mitch's whereabouts after his disappearance, Eury's brother Orpheus and Mitch's roommate Lonny invade the Ranch. Bad idea on their parts. Quickly discovered, Lonny manages to escape to a local hippie named Drax who's father was captured by the Ranch, but before this, he sees what More Man does to Orpheus upon capturing him; stripping him naked and tying him spread-eagled onto a bed made out of human flesh (yeah, thing about the More Man? His furniture is almost all built from human body parts, and there are a lot of them), allowing his drugged-up followers — one of whom pleads to Lonny to free her from the Akishra by killing her — to mutilate and sodomize him at their will, with the More Man raping him with the severed arm of one of his security guards. The best part? The More Man forces Orpheus to experience nothing but horrible pleasure the entire way through. Lonny mercy-kills Orpheus and runs.
Now, a bit later, the More Man locates the aforementioned Ephram Pixie, who ran away from the cult because he wanted to be free from the Akishra and do his own thing... bringing Constance with him to the Ranch, Constance witnesses the More Man forcing Mitch to rape Eury on the same bed of human body parts before Mitch eventually gives out and dies from blood loss, while Eury comes to a startling discovery... Orphy, her brother? His flayed face has been made into the bedding. Casually ordering the Akishra Prime that was attached to Mitch to be passed onto Constance, the More Man then reveals to Ephram that the "Nameless Spirit" was in fact an Akishra — the "Magnus," in fact. Summoning it and watching as the Magnus tears Ephram apart, the More Man finally reveals the ultimate purpose of all this. With the Magnus now in physical reality, the More Man and his cult are going to draw in the Akishra from the astral plane and spread them everywhere, all across the physical plane. With this, everything descends into chaos... the Magnus forces the Akishra into the physical world, and the More Man and his associates all take the toll as being reduced to flailing meat-puppets for the Akishra with no more free will of their own. The madness is finally ended with Drax drives a truck with a live, electrical cable in it right into the pool full of the Akishra, electrocuting them and sending a chain reaction which fries the Magnus, all of his followers, and the More Man himself, reducing them to little more than — get ready for it — wet bones.
Any mitigating factors?
Not much to discuss here. There's absolutely no love between the More Man and Judy, not a single acknowledgement on his part when Judy's eventually killed, and he acts with complete agency, having willingly given himself to the Akishra and conducting perverse rituals to pleasure himself. As for the heinous standard, the More Man is so far past the baseline he's a mere speck on the horizon... arguably worse than Ephram, but the More Man also works with far more resources than Pixie does and they specialize in similar but equally cruel styles of villainy. I'd say keep them both.
Conclusion?
Easy, easy keep. I didn't even get into half of the horrible details of what he does.
Thoughts?
Easy yes
Yes to Samuel Denver.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
for Samuel Denver
edited 16th Sep '17 8:01:08 PM by G-Editor
Samuel Denver.
More Man
Rewrite for Angela/Ash:
- From the anime: Angela Blanc/Ash Landers are a dual-gendered, shapeshifting Fallen Angel who are disgusted with what they see as mankind's "uncleanliness". Ostensibly loyal to the Queen of England, the angel killed Ceil's parents are part of their plan to "purify" the world and regain favor in God's eyes. The angel horrifically turns multiple girls into dolls, using their bodies as an army of puppets. During a curry contest, the angel gives a spice to a contestant which causes those who eat it to go into a berserk rage. When Ceil goes to investigate their cult, the angel fuses the bodies of both of his parents together to torment him. When the Queen fails to live up to the angel's standard of "purity" by refusing to lose a part of her late husband which had been implanted into her, the angel leaves her to die before using a demon dog it had corrupted to burn London as part of its insane mission. Not even holding itself to the demands it puts on humans, the angel's devotion to purity is a hypocritical one, as the female personality, Angela lusts after Sebastian and sadistically whips him when she has him in a dungeon.
edited 16th Sep '17 8:59:06 PM by 43110
Slight updates to The Teacher's entry:
- The Juror: The mob hitman known as The Teacher, alias Mark Cordell, opens the film by assassinating a mark as well as his family including a little boy which leads to his boss indicted for the murder. Cozying up to the titular Juror of the film, Annie Laird, The Teacher blackmails her into getting his boss, Louie Boffano, acquitted by threatening her son Oliver. Whenever Annie defies him, The Teacher grows worse, at one point murdering a bystander and later killing Annie's friend Juliet by forcing her at gunpoint to take a fatal overdose of pills after sleeping with her. When Annie tries to reveal The Teacher's ambitions to Boffano, The Teacher murders Boffano and his men, ending by killing his former partner Eddie who was sympathetic to Annie's plight. Furious at Annie's 'betrayal,' The Teacher reveals his intent to murder Oliver and later attempts to kill Annie when she tries to stop him.
Have those other edits up tomorrow hopefully.
edited 16th Sep '17 10:18:12 PM by futuremoviewriter
I... no. All you did was flip around "Cordell" with "the Teacher." Leave the writeup as is, please.
Logan, Kaden, More Man and Ephram
The Nameless Spirit sounds pretty nasty too. Any particular reason he doesn't count?
The Akishra are Eldritch Abominations that don't operate on the same plane of thought as humans do. Creatures of pure appetite
