During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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Talia and Kakre.
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I second that, Rick and Morty is great.
Does Rick and Morty have any CM canidates?
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Clown-Face, I saw you requested the fixing of the typos for Maax for the CM page; could you please change it on the YMMV page?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Very doubtful, Rick is guilty of sorts of heinious crimes, most played for laughs and many really grand in terms of scale. Not mention Rick loves his family (well except for his son in law Jerry, he doesn't like Jerry).
The only other character I think of is....the jelly bean creature that tried to rape Morty, despite the bizarre circumstances of that scene, I heard it was meant to be serious, not joke. The Jelly Bean creature also seemed to like child porn. But Rick is more heinious.
edited 16th Feb '16 2:33:35 PM by Overlord
Not at this time, I don't think, though Evil Morty might end up qualifying later down the road, depending on the direction they decide to take him in.
Aside from that, I'd say that the closest to an example would be the giant talking jellybean who tries to molest Morty, but he fails the heinous standard for sure.
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by Overlord
edited 16th Feb '16 2:38:34 PM by Pwnisher248
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
A giant talking jellybean rapist? That show seems like another one of those that's just too damn weird for anyone to count.
I think I'll submit these tomorrow, and cut Malekith (image is broken).
edited 16th Feb '16 2:41:55 PM by ACW
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Wild Child
- Added Maax's rewrite.
- Still would prefer Vandal Savage's image on Monster.DC Comics, but if nobody wants to, I'll drop it.
Yeah, Rick and Morty is a really weird show, and yet there's something about the weirdness that just works. Definatley worth checking out, very unlikely to have a CM candidate.
edited 16th Feb '16 3:41:49 PM by Beast
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Anyway kinda covering something else Deadpool related, I'm guessing Mr. Sinister from the Deadpool video game is just a GDV. I watched a couple of walk through video series, he doesn't seem to get much characterization. Does anyone else know about this game and would agree or disagree?
In the game Deadpool seems to be ignoring Sinister's evil plot and the X-Men's attempts to stop him, essentially doing his own thing, Deadpool doesn't want to kill Sinister because Sinister wants to destroy humanity and take over the world, he is mad that Sinister killed a guy he was contracted to kill and wants Sinister to pay him out for his lost contract. So we don't see much of Sinister's evil plot, because Deadpool is not playing attention to it.
edited 16th Feb '16 4:26:26 PM by Overlord
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to Talia. She doesn't sound heinous enough.
Would a character being considered redeemable in-universe be enough to disqualify them?
Yes, a Complete Monster is never viewed in a sympathetic light.
Depends. Sauron was viewed as redeemable, but pointedly rejected all chances at redemption. Same with multiple Star Wars villains
Wild Child
That depends on what (or who) considers them redeemable.
If the story itself presents them as redeemable, then they probably don't count. If it's a character who views them as redeemable, then they probably could, since there are a few examples of a character In-Universe trying to redeem a Complete Monster and failing.
Why so serious?
It wasn't rejected but the character's arc is still ongoing (though it's a case like Akainu) but it could be years before another appearance. Their last appearance (which happened after they were voted up) however had them still considered possible to be redeemed.
edited 16th Feb '16 5:17:03 PM by doineedaname
...well who is it?
Someone asked for a post for Casper from Octopus and it got unambitious votes, so where we go.
- The 2000 monster film Octopus has its human Big Bad, Casper. The world's most wanted terrorist, Casper is a psychopath who subscribes to the belief that one should solely focus on the thing they want and pursue it with no regrets. In Casper's case, this is killing innocent people. Casper's first scene happily blowing up a US embassy with a bomb concealed in a basket, which he takes special care to place next to a little girl, who is holding it when it goes off. It is noted upon his arrest that this is the ninth time he's done this. He proceeds to drop another bomb in the middle of a busy road to attempt escape. After FBI analyst Roy Turner saves his life (despite Casper's actions killing his partner), Casper proceeds to spend the majority of the film attempting to either break Roy by mocking his partner's death and his refusal to kill another human being, or outright murder him, even if it means gleefully putting others unrelated to his grudge in the path of the title Sea Monster. In order to escape his bonds, he holds a member of the crew of the submarine he's being transported by hostage to force Roy to free him, then slits the hostages throat without a second thought. He then forces the ship's scientist Lisa Finch to send a distress signal to a cruise ship his followers have commandeered (intending to destroy the ship and kill everyone on it afterwards), and implies he intends to rape her. Right up to his death at the hands of the octopus, Casper remains an unrepentant psychopath with a massive body count, trying to make a person who saved his life's a living Hell and killing anyone he desires without a moment's regret.
Wild Child
Since no new images can be added to the crowner, I'm still wondering where to suggest my Frieza image.
Why so serious?
Tomorrow, I am going to be doing my first effort post in a while. It will be on a new Runescape candidate named Nomad who I believe qualifies based on the most recent quest release.
As a forewarning, even though the quest only came out Monday, I see no point in waiting two weeks since I am the only person on the forum who likely plays the game currently and because the quest has steep skill requirements so a new player wouldn't even be able to do it. It will be done tomorrow with no spoiler tags.
Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.
edited 16th Feb '16 7:04:24 PM by doineedaname
Caesar
Tentative to Talia
More firm to Kakre
Ah yes, the infamous hardest boss in the game. I did hear he finally went down this week.
To put it bluntly, in the new quest he steals countless souls and twists them into a new Eldritch Abomination God that he plans to use to cleanse the world and recreate it his image. Runescape's nightmare fuel page is going to get a lengthy addition.
As for Amascut, her brother Icthlarin still wants to try and redeem her and begs the player to save her since he still loves his sister. At this point in the story, I think she is way past the point of not return and it likely play out as a Mercy Kill more than a legitimate redemption.
Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.
And yes, Rick and Morty is worth seeing.