During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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What is the Work
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
The Unknown
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
x2 Did that.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Killing AND raping three pre-pubescent children, out of racist beliefs? Only 3, yes, but they're young kids.
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A little late, but I'm rather unsure on Teague. Though admittedly only because the corrupt reverend who the protagonist is apparently allied with seems like a piece of work himself. If he weren't there I'd give Teague all the ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
s in the world.
Actually, that one bit aside? He's not really that bad and even becomes Inman's friend, and saves his life, though at cost of his own, from the Home Guard. He's not a really evil guy, just a very, very weak and cowardly one. He seems to be really, really reluctant to go through with his murder and besides that, the worst you can say about him is he's a lecherous oaf who falls into the trap for deserters and tries to take the ferry girl up on an offer to sleep with her for 30 dollars.
He's also only got one attempted death to his name while Teague has way more. He also actually goes out of his way to help Inman escape the Home Guard when Inman has just exposed him and nearly gotten him lynched with absolutely no alternative motive.
edited 29th Aug '15 11:24:15 PM by Lightysnake
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
- G-Editor: that quote.
- Lighty, regarding Teague...
edited 29th Aug '15 11:21:12 PM by ACW
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Bosie...eh, not sure. He's certainly nasty as his boss, but Teague's responsible for the whole of the Home Guard.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Bosie is the "sadistic young lieutenant" though?
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As I said before, yes. Why are you so hung up on this one?
edited 30th Aug '15 12:33:32 AM by Lightysnake
Actually, looking back on it, I don't think Darkrai counts. He only tries to kill the protagonists and drives them to suicide aside from one child who is related to the protagonists meaning he's only doing it to hurt the protagonists. As for the Bad Future, he only did that so he could be the new ruler of the world. I don't think he meets the heinous standard set by so many other Pokemon villains (most of whom have actually not only tried to destroy the world, but end existence too in Cyrus and Lysandre's case). We cut Ghetsis for the exact same reason. Darkrai seems like too much of a GDV. I know he gets characterization (a little bit) in the later chapters of the game, but it's only basic and doesn't make him much more than a "destroy for the hell of it" character.
edited 30th Aug '15 12:52:38 AM by Klavice
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Just trying to get clarity. Characterization is still characterization though, no matter how minor (hello Ronan).
OK, so Gentarou Hongou has now 7 votes (including myself) and no negative votes. Is it already enough to clarify him as a CM?
edited 30th Aug '15 3:01:32 AM by Kookosbanaani
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
The Yu Gi Oh and Fallout stuff are done. If he has no ![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
votes, then yeah.
edited 30th Aug '15 2:57:16 AM by ACW
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Hey ACW I want ask if you can take quotes and like with CM entry recommend them to be posted?
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Actually, quotes you can post yourself. That page isn't locked.
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Any votes for Cesaire ?
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Also, could we have this image for Monster.Yu Gi Oh?
![[down]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_down.png "[down]"){kind=icon}
Dark Bakura murdering Pegasus.
edited 30th Aug '15 4:48:48 AM by SatoshiBakura
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
You can request images here. Who is that?
edited 30th Aug '15 4:47:48 AM by ACW
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Foreign Troper
Since there seems to be no issue with the Constantine write ups, you may go ahead and submit them for the Arrowverse page
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Monster/ArrowVerse
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I'll tweak 'em and submit with next weeks batch.
- I'll say to Teague
- Rize
- Unsure about Cesaire
- Stimple sounds like a cut
- I think I'll give a for Sedessa
edited 30th Aug '15 6:40:26 AM by Camberf
Any more thoughts on Lheu Brenin? He only has 4 so far.
Lizzid people!
That's 3 (myself, Overlord, Ravok), 0 on Petrie thus far.
I'll Brenin and Petrie. Also, Klavice, we've already ruled out that "GDV" argument for Darkrai.
Hey guys I just found a quote from the anime Fate/Zero that might fit well in the CM quote page.
" I'm Uryuu Ryuunosuke. I'm currently unemployed, and I like killing people, pretty much. Especially kids and young women." Ryuunosuke Uryuu introducing himself to his servant, Fate/Zero
edited 29th Aug '15 10:01:04 PM by G-Editor