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The 100 starts with the adults sending a hundred kids on a suicide mission, and season two ends with the protagonists commiting genocide on the Mountain Men. The point of the series is to show how far people can go to survive and to protect their people, and as a result the heinous standard is way too high for anyone to qualify, so I vote no for anyone from that show.

edited 7th May '15 4:21:13 PM by Nithael

Yeah, if Geiger gave innocents a chance to escape, he doesn't count. Don't forget to remove him from Complete Monster YMMV Pages as well.

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For Starter I want to bring up the discussion about Majora's Mask from the very popular video game Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask. I have heard that it once had a section in the complete monster video game page but it cut from the forum. Still I believe majora's mask sould still be considered to be a complete monster due to the many atrocious things it did like turnning link into a deku, turning Kafei into a child mere days before his wedding, and above all else tried to send the moon crashing down to the world, thus would have destroyed the land of Termina, all of which was done for the evulz. When was done possessing the skull kid, who thought of the mask at a friend the mask cruelly disposed of him thinking of him as little more than a puppet. The mask itself has no redeeming qualities whatsoever and is considered by all to be one of the darkest villains to appear in a zelda game. Please reply to input your opinion or response about this topic

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Would the Future versions of Android 17 and 18 qualify? Unlike their counterparts from the main timeline, they kill innocent people without a second thought for the fun of it, to the point where Future 18 would destroy a city and kill humans just to let out anger for not being able to beat a video game. They make clear that the lives of others mean nothing to them, and take sadistic pleasure in causing misery.

edited 7th May '15 6:26:49 PM by Awesomekid42

They were disqualified for caring about each other.

And speaking of DB, did Babidi care about his dad? He seemed pretty fixated on killing Supreme Kai to avenge him.

I would like to propose this long overdue example of the movie version of the serial killer from The Bone Collector. The story is about a detective named Lincoln Rhyme, played by Denzel Washington, who ended up in an accident during a homicide case. He becomes a paraplegic after recovering from a 2 year coma. During that time, there have been murder victims with bone shards removed and collected by the serial killer. Rhyme gets help from a cop named Amelia Donaghy, played by Angelina Jolie, and tries to solve the case, while trying to save as many victims as possible from the killer’s game.

Who is he and what does he do? A sadistic serial killer, who is also very intelligent, and he wants revenge on Lincoln Rhyme. His real name is Marcus Andrews, and he goes by the identity of Richard Thomson, as Lincoln Rhyme’s technician, who is played by Leland Orser.

What are his heinous crimes? The Bone Collector captures innocent victims in a taxi to use as pawns for his revenge game, in order to torture Lincoln Rhyme. He surgically and painfully removes a bone from his victims to be used as clues. The game he does is this, if Lincoln doesn’t find his captured victim before a certain period of time, that victim will get a cruel and unusual death. But some victims never had a chance to be saved at all. A woman is tied up in front of some kind of steam pipe, after the killer shoots and buries her husband as a clue, and the steam pipe is set to go off in a certain amount of time. The woman dies by being burned alive by steam, and the killer sawed off the handle of a steam valve, so that the police can’t shut down the steam pipes to save her. A teenager was physically abducted, tied up, and cut open so that he could be eaten alive by rats, and the killer left no deadline, implying that victim is meant to die a horrible death. Further implying that he is completely sadistic, Lincoln Rhyme was in a coma for 2 years, during those two years, there were onscreen photos of many victims with a bone removed, showing that the killer murdered them without ever giving Lincoln Rhyme a chance, easily fooling the other cops. Outside of his game, he murders several people, such as the original taxi owner, and a officer who tries to question him. He escapes with his next victims: an elderly man and his very young granddaughter. He tries to drown both of them, and this shows he is willing to murder and involve children. The old man dies as a result, and the poor girl barely survives. After all this, he comes for Lincoln Rhyme, killing Queen Latifa’s character Thelma, onscreen by stabbing her in the gut. He also murdered Captain Cheney, and he goes inside to confront Rhyme, cutting off all forms of communication. Though the killer denies this, he doctored evidence, possibly framing innocent people to be locked up, and one victim hung himself as a result. It isn't so much that he doctored evidence, its that his response towards Lincoln Rhyme displays that he has no empathy at all towards these victims, claiming his forensic work was impeccable. When he confronts Lincoln rhyme, he taunts him that him and his helper couldn't save those people, showing that he has no remorse for his current actions. He then tries to give Lincoln Rhyme a fate worse then death, by paralyzing him permanently so that he becomes a vegetable, which is Rhyme's worst fear, and the killer mocks his fate, saying “what kind of vegetable would you like to be? A carrot? How about a zucchini?” When he failed to do that, he threatens to cut out his tongue, remove his eye, but ultimately settles to gut him open right down the middle, as Rhyme watches.

Apparently, there is a deleted scene that shows or implies that the killer was the one that paralyzed Rhyme in the first place, after murdering a victim trapped in area, by pushing the debris on Rhyme. I haven’t seen that scene, but I have heard about it, and thought it would be important to note.

Redeeming Factors or Freudian Excuse? None whatsoever. If I remember correctly, in the book, the killer was hesitant to murder one victim, but ultimately decided against it, but not so in this movie. He does have a Freudian Excuse, He claims Rhyme destroyed his life with a written expert opinion against his doctored reports, which got the killer in prison for six years, and was brutalized by prisoners every single day. However, in regards to the framed victims, he believes they were guilty and scum, but he took pride in his work, and the fact that he has murdered many people in horrible ways, and gloats to Rhyme about not being able to save them, takes away any sympathy for this guy. It only reinforces just what a remorseless bastard this guy is. This is also very different from the book, according to other sources.

Heinous by the standard of this movie? He is the main villain in the movie, and he has committed quite a large number of truly horrific onscreen crimes out of revenge against Lincoln Rhyme. And he shows no remorse or regret for these actions, since he gloats to Rhyme about them.

What do you guys think? I apologize if my proposal looks bad, it is the first time I posted here.

edited 7th May '15 7:41:57 PM by SinisterHoodedFigure2

Babidi cared about his father as much as Ronan cared about his father, grandfather, and great grandfather. He wanted to avenge Bibidi's failure out of pride, not love. It's similar to why Freeza's not disqualified due to being on good terms with his father - it's clear there's no actual love between the family, just issues of pride and supremacy.

For a first time poster, that sounds like a very good character to bring to this thread. .

Toriyama revealed that Babidi was not Bibidi's son in a traditional sense; Babidi was actually a magic clone of Bibidi created using Bibidi's own power. In other words, Bibidi divided himself into two separate beings. So Babidi wanted to avenge.. himself. At least a different part of himself.

edited 7th May '15 7:51:33 PM by bobg

Yes to the Bone Collector. Nice post.

And yeah, babidi never loves his dad.

Hades not qualifying? We might as well cut every other "comedic" CM like King Boo, Kefka and hell even The Joker. Or revote on them

Just because a villain is funny and Faux Affably Evil does not automatically DQ them from this trope. It's different for characters that are completely played for laughs. What Hades does is disgusting and all of the characters take him seriously.

This has all been covered before. Hades isn't going anywhere.

But he breaks the fourth wall and congratulates the player for completing the game.

You know, I rewatched the Evil Dead's 2013 remake and maybe we should riconsider The Taker Of Souls as a CM. I knew he has been DQ because he's implied to be Made of Evil or lacking personalities. When I watch the movie if I remember correctly he's shown to do something quite awful who got beyond his "mission" to summon The Abomination like raping and/or possessing some of the girls protagonist and mutilating 'em for no reason than his own amusement. He also loves to taunt his victims about their fate like telling David that his sister Mia is "being raped in Hell" in a similar manner to Pazuzu.

Usually an Eldritch Abomination type villain won't use profane words or mock his enemies like a normal human would. The Taker seems to have pretty much humanistic qualities. But as I said before I just "think" so let's vote on it.

edited 8th May '15 5:43:24 AM by ST89

Dropping Dr. Tsing after thinking about he shows heinous standard.

Also to the Bone Collector.

As for the Taker of the Souls, the main argument against him was that we learn very little about him. But then again, we also don't learn all that much about the Tall Man, but at least he was more fleshed out as a character then the taker.

Also following last nights episode of The Vampire Diaries, I'd say Kai exceeded the heinousness of both the protagonists and most antagonists on the show by killing two babies. Because the season finale is next week, I should have the effort tpost here by then.

edited 8th May '15 5:51:33 AM by Beast

to the Bone Collector.

Bone Collector seems like an asshole.

Bone Collector? Now there's a vile villain.

And there needs to be a rule that just because a villain is hilarious, doesn't automatically disqualify them from this trope. I thought Dickson (from Xenoblade) had some hilarious quips and he even saved Shulk. This would normally make him not qualify except all of these was fake and he only saved Shulk to use as a host for his master. I think saving the hero for a pragmatic reason should also not be a disqualifying trait. The only reason Tigerstar saved Bramblestar as an apprentice was so he could mould him into a mini version of himself like Palpatine with Anakin.

There IS already a rule (maybe it should be called The Joker Rule).

Any more entries (Lighty?)? Only 2 so far for this week's batch. I may hold off until we get more.
On another note, Bigger Bad has changed to Greater-Scope Villain, making me wonder if any of the entries need to be changed.

edited 8th May '15 2:44:33 PM by ACW

I looked into the Silent Hill film adaptation, and Christebella does not count. She does do horrible things, but she's convinced she's saving the town from witches. She had a young girl bullied, and eventually burned her at a stake, but she thought she was a witch. Her goal in the film is to kill another little girl who she also thinks is a witch. She is entirely genuinely polite and courteous to the protagonists before she comes to think their daughter is a witch, even helping them get to a hospital. The person who added her probably just hated her for all the horrible things she did to the one child, and tried to do to the other, ignoring the fact that, in her mind, she was saving her town. This is yet another example of listing a character for something horrible that they did, while completely ignoring the fact that such things were common at the time, and the character did not realize they were harming an innocent. This is just like the case with Ichabod Crane's father. In short: Christebella is a Well-Intentioned Extremist. Note the word "intentioned". Nothing good would have actually come out of it, but she thought it would.

We should probably have the FAQ address that. What's important is that the villain's evilness is played seriously. Laughably Evil characters like the Joker or Freddy Krueger do make hilarious quips but the crimes they commit and the effects they have on people are still treated seriously.

Maybe add this after "An example which gets compassion or laughter or other normally incompatible audience responses will require extra scrutiny, though.": "A Laughably Evil villain (such as The Joker) can still count however, as long as their actions themselves aren't Played for Laughs."
Film!Christabella seems to be a then.

edited 8th May '15 4:12:48 PM by ACW