Ok it was mentioned there is not a thread for Law Enforcement Officers (LEO for short)and other similar jobs for discussion.
This is for discussing the actual jobs, ranks, training, culture, relations to military bodies that exist, and any other variety of topics that can arise pertaining to the World of Policing.
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Because there is not nearly enough outrage over this six police officers in Victoria were found while making a welfare visit to a mentally disabled man saw fit to assault and humiliate him.
A few people are saying to wait until we know the whole story. Sure. Okay. Let's hear how this behavior is justified.
edited 4th Apr '18 5:01:57 PM by tsstevens
Currently reading up My Rule Fu Is Stronger than Yours
Ouch.
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Police in Muenster report that the driver responsible for a hit and run attack is not an Islamist, but someone with mental health issues for some time. And he killed himself afterwards.
The law in the night
Okay, I just finished doing a mock test for my PT exam.
If I perform in my PT exam the same way I am performing in my training, I'd be scoring anything between 320 to 360 points out of 400.
With the 32 straight pushups in 60s and 2800m in 12 min being the two modalities I can score 100 points each. The rower ab work I can usually pull between 34 and 36 in 60 seconds which is 60 and 70 points (top score is 42 in 60s) and the 50m sprint my average time is 7.14s to 7.20s, which is in the 80 points mark (top score is 6.75s or lower).
The PT exam for the SP Military Police is next Thursday. Basically I think I am ready to score enough to ensure I am among the 2200 positions available, specially since I am competing with 14700 candidates, I'll have to score as much as possible. It is a lot but the first exam had just over 130 thousand candidates, but as usual, counting on the incompetence of everyone else is a losing strategy, specially since those who passed the first step are more driven than those who didn't.
Regardless of the scoring or if I fail or not, I lost 16 Kg worth of weight, the last time I was this fit was when It was 18 before going to college and I got a neat tan.
edited 9th Apr '18 6:07:40 AM by AngelusNox
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Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Angelus: There you go. Sounds like you are shaping up. Keep up the work. You may be surprised how many people will flop on the physical part.
Who watches the watchmen?
I keep forgetting that literally every organization with a required PT test has a totally different test to judge people by.
Just took my PT test for the Air Force (so bit off topic except for the general topic of physical fitness which covers both mlitary and LEO), and our test is waist tape, 1 minute pushups, 1 minute situps, and a mile and a half run. Scores are based on age-group and gender (so a 30 year old male has different point values than a 25 year old male, and a female in either age-group has a different set of scores to meet).
Air Force PT test is based on overall health, hence the adjustment for age and gender. They're starting to introduce some new fitness tests intended to judge folks based on their physical ability to perform their jobs. Rollout is taking a bit because they have to figure out what sorts/levels of fitness each career field needs (an admin airman probably doesn't need to carry someone over their shoulder while running a hundred meters very often, and training them to perform at that level is arguably a waste of everyone's time)
I was reading about how in Australia, the Army is using a new physical performance test where the tasks are based on physical actions they use in their jobs, for instance, picking up a box and placing it on a waist-high platform (could be loading a truck, setting a printer up on someone's desk, loading an artillery shell, or anything else, it's a crazy common motion for people to perform).
Anyways, I end this ramble with a very interesting statsitic I picked up while writing a paper on military physical fitness training: The most common cause of duty-related death for American firefighters while responding to fires is actually heart attacks from overexertion. IIRC, smoke inhalation comes in second place a little ways behind.
@Ominae: Ouch why? There was no indication that the attacker was a muslim, people just rushed to that conclusion because a car was used, but that's on them.
Life is unfair...
The Mod with the Migraine
The law in the night
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Right after I left the objective and dissertation test, I chatted with a few candidates about the PT exam, basically I was training before the first runs started. Most of the guys I've met? Oh it is easy, don't worry much about it. Riiiiiiiight.
Getting 200 points isn't hard, scoring well enough to secure your position on the other hand is.
edited 9th Apr '18 1:23:21 PM by AngelusNox
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@Grafite
- No idea. I’m assuming that their past experience in dealing with an ISIL sympathizer who used a vehicle didn’t help but make peeps just go to their own conclusions.
Strange thing in the history of Japanese law enforcement. Shiga Prefecture is on the alert after an officer killed another one in a koban. The suspect fled in a marked vehicle, but he left it after the manhunt started.
No reason was given, but he's been detained:
The law in the night
I finished my PT exam yesterday, it wasn't easy but thanks to the training it wasn't hard or too demanding for me. I can't say the same for everyone else though.
Well Tuefel you are right. The PT failure rate between abstentions and outright failures to score the minimum score to pass each test or failing to reach 201 points is around 48%.
I managed to score 317 points out of 400, could have been better but the conditions in the race tracks were kinda awful since during the last two running test they send everyone to do it at the same time, so I had to spend some precious time trying to find a way that wasn't full of candidates blocking my path.
Sadly for me, this test was eliminatory so you have to at least not fail any of the tests and reach 201 points to be considered apt, so extra points have little weight. Though they might use it to keep track of the candidates who actually have a real chance to finish the rest of the exams. Like the psych eval and the med exams.
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Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Well you are off to a good start. Not only did you actually show but you passed and more importantly passed above the minimum. They likely will keep track of it. You will see another good chunk vanish on the next large test.
Who watches the watchmen?
I'm writing this story and I'm trying to figure out a breaking and entering scenario, and how the law would interpret it. I'll try to give as much detail as I can and then bullet out the main points later.
There's a little background to how this scenario starts, but you can skip to the next bold section: In this story, two people break into the home of a well-known defense attorney. Person A snuck in to steal something, while Person B snuck in to find out what they were up to, not aware of what they were doing, and not purely out of civic duty mind, but a personal obsession with Person A. Stalking, basically. When they find each other, Person B restrains Person A and demands an explanation, so Person A keeps them talking while discretely making a call to 9/11. Their cellphone is on low volume and is hidden behind them.
During this call Person A discretely refers to feeling threatened and being held against their will, so the operator sends the cops over on that basis. The conversation goes on for awhile and the police arrive. Person B gets caught while Person A, not wanting to get caught for breaking and entering in the first place, flees out the backdoor with the object they planned to steal.
Person B tries to take the rap for all of this and gives a weak defense for what transpired. This doesn't work and they're arrested.
Now the question I'm asking is how the law would initially interpret this scenario:
- A call was made from the home of a defense attorney
- The attorney and his family are not home/did not make the call
- The caller was noticeably under duress (from Person B)
- When the cops arrived the caller (Person A) was gone and Person B was the only person at the scene
- There are obvious signs of entry, but the only immediate evidence that Person A was there was the initial call; there were two clearly different voices
And what sentences would be given:
- Kidnapping? Breaking and entering? How many years? Would there be some psychiatric evaluation if Person B cracked and consistently claim they were following somebody else (without blaming Person A), but the police couldn't find this person?
- What sentence would be given to a minor in this scenario?
edited 14th Apr '18 8:51:41 AM by Soble
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Breaking and entering are the basic ones. The cops will figure person B had an accomplice they are covering for, although the 911 call is a little weird. As long as nothing was missing, they would probably leave it at that. Once they realized a theft occurred, B will most likely be charged as an accessory. Max sentence if they dont give up A's identity.
A minor changes the sentence, but not the charges. How young is B?
edited 15th Apr '18 1:58:31 PM by DeMarquis
https://ph.news.yahoo.com/korea-murder-accused-dies-custody-hong-kong-065420542.html
Hong Kong has reported that a South Korean man arrested for supposedly murdering his wife and kid died in a detention center at the Ritz. Some suggestions are that the suspect killed himself.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43801011
A major manhunt is on the way in Japan for a convict who escaped a low-risk corrections facility. The Ministry of Justice apologized for what happened
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Patrick Stein, Gavin Wright and Curtis Allen were convicted of one count of conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction and one count of conspiracy against civil rights. Wright was convicted of a charge of lying to the FBI. Sentencing is set for June 27.
The three men were indicted in October 2016 for plotting an attack for the day after the presidential election in the meatpacking town of Garden City, about 220 miles west of Wichita.
Prosecutors have said that a fellow militia member, Dan Day, tipped off federal authorities after becoming alarmed by the escalating talk of violence and later agreed to wear a wire as a paid informant. The government's case featured months of profanity-laced recordings in which militia members discussed plans and referred to the Somalis as "cockroaches."
https://ph.news.yahoo.com/palace-trump-support-duterte-war-105506597.html
The State Department made an analysis on the drug wars in the Philippines, mostly led by the Philippine National Police.
The Toronto Police Service did a good job in taking the suspect despite that he wanted to go down by being shot.
http://www.newsweek.com/golden-state-killer-joseph-james-deangelo-california-901434
The Original Night Stalker was finally caught in Sacremento, California after 40 years. Nice to see that this serial killer and rapist in my state is off the streets and that his victims finally got justice. My mom tells me that when she was a young kid she would hear horror stories from her own mom about this guy. Her mom was deathly afraid of him.
edited 25th Apr '18 6:08:41 PM by Wispy
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I have read about a recent Longer-Than-Life Sentence recently, 178 years for pedophilia from memory, and apparently this happens all the time. Okay, so exactly how does this work? Are there any cases where the body is left to rot for the remainder of the sentence? Is the corpse or skeleton strung up on death as a threat not to commit the crime?
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Blowout soon fellow Stalker
No, that's just silly.
It's basically done as a way of closing loopholes regarding sentences and preventing any possibility of parole.
Oh really when?
A procrastination in of itself
It’s normally not even done for practical reasons, it’s just done to make a point.
That and a number probably happen almost by accident, a person is charged with say 7 instances of a crime, they’re charged with all seven so that they still go away even if the evidence doesn't hold out for each individual charge, they’re then found guilty on all seven counts and get an insane length sentence.
edited 28th Apr '18 12:07:25 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Thankfully the cops caught this guy before he did anything crazy. They think he may have been there to target "March for our Lives" rally. The irony is thick. I think this guy sounds like the poster child for stricter background checks.
Who watches the watchmen?