Type-Moon: Fate/stay night, Tsukihime, and Kara no Kyoukai discussion

And it gets added back in by Orihime. -_-;

So we're in agreement that the bit about Mordred in the YMMV subpage should be axed for being one person's (apparently unjustly biased) opinion until further notice? Also, I'm removing "loli" from Jack's entry in the same page, since it doesn't really apply and by admin ruling we're not supposed to be using it anyway.

edited 30th Dec '12 6:08:41 PM by MarqFJA

It's not exactly that I don't think Tokiomi might ignore that so much as I don't think he would believe that that would actually help her become the heir. I believe an equivalent situation would be like instead of putting Tohsaka through so much pain she might want to cut her arm off you actually cut her arm off. It doesn't really help.

^ Go ahead on both counts.

edited 30th Dec '12 6:08:12 PM by Arha

I don't know if Mordred is a Base Breaker, but if she is one that entry needs to be rewritten.

Also, I hate Zouken more now, for some reason. That monster.

Ninja'd previous post.

@Kay: Really now. When did that increase in hatred start? That might help pin-point it down.

"Loli" is a stupid word anyway, so I'd always be for removing it. xD

@Marq

I don't even know. :V

I AM EMOTIONAL RIGHT NOW!

edited 30th Dec '12 6:16:02 PM by kay4today

Easy there, lion. <pats Kay on the back> Being emotional isn't bad; why, look at Kenshiro!

It's okay, I just watched the scene in which Dark Sakura finally gives him his karmic punishment.

Oh yes, how the mighty have fallen. I only wished that she had drawn it out and payed him back for all those years of Cold-Blooded Torture and bodily desecration that he put her through.

How is it Karmic? She just kinda kills him. Compared to what She does to Rin in a certain bad end... Zouken's end is rather uneventful for such a vile being.

... Is Achilles the Green haird doofus on the cover?

I actually like that she didn't needlessly torture him. I think it shows that Sakura just isn't that kind of person even to someone like Zouken, which makes me like her all the more.

... But then again, there is the Bad End with Rin, so I don't know why she didn't make Zouken suffer.

It's karmic because the "weak girl who couldn't possibly harm him" killed him. xD

edited 30th Dec '12 6:35:30 PM by kay4today

She didn't make Zouken suffer because by that point she didn't really care about him. She was just getting rid of a mild annoyance.

Crushed him like a bug...

The irony

And True Assassin.

The green haired Cu Chulainn on the cover is Stupid Centaur Face.

that means that spoiler pic of the bishie Archer killing him... is Herc?

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edited 30th Dec '12 6:52:08 PM by WarGriff

I've seen Mordred called a slut before... on certain parts of the internet that shall not be named. Parts that call literally everyone sluts. Yeah, I'd delete that from the character entry if someone's putting it in.

Mordred's a legit base breaker from what I've seen though, but the complaints are of the "argh not ANOTHER Saber clone" variety, and not with regards to her supposed sluttiness.

No, "Bishy Archer" is Achilles, who is actually a Rider. He just happens to have a bow as his weapon.

The Archers are Stupid Centaur Face and Atalanta.

edited 30th Dec '12 6:54:05 PM by Otherarrow

That's interesting

Achilles fighting Charon for some Master vs Student pathos -I get the stupid face since charon's human form doesn't scream wise mentor of heroes... or are you mad David got axed for him.-

Granted Achilles being crack with a Bow is... a twist since Achilles is always noted for his Spear and swordsmandship but He is suppose to be the picture warrior so ehh.

Achilles definately has a spear as well. He just seems to fight with multiple weapons, non-N Ps included.

Actually, at the time, I thought Atalanta got axed for him. And no "Stupid Centaur Face" comes from his design being very lazy (IMO) and his whole concept (Centaur summoned as a human) seems kinda dumb and contrived.

Placing bets on which Master is first to die on each side

I'm pretty much going with Gordes as the first Black master to go and Seig will get switched out to someone more befitting a Hero of Seig's Calibur... I'm honestly hunching Fioreas the switch.

No idea who'll die first on the Red side... cept Modred's pretty much going to survive to the final rounds.

Seig and Karna can't die till they have the duel of fate though now you can't call it the duel of invincible heroes with Achilles around.

Him being in a humanoid form doesn't really bother me since well Rider is suppose to be known for her most ugly side and she's drop dead gorgeous.

It's the fact he looks like some generic hot blooded punk. Chiron is suppose to be the noble, wise sage like teacher of great Greek heroes. No is the intetion is you'd never guess this guy was Herc and Achilles' teacher mission accomplished

Heck the fact he looks so unremarkable is why i kinda lean toward Gordes dying and Seig getting switched to Fiore cause she'll have lost Chiron at that point.

Let me put it this way

They turned the Yoda of Greek epics into Zell from FFVIII

edited 30th Dec '12 7:25:04 PM by WarGriff

Since I haven't really been paying any attention to what masters are who, I'm just gonna say Reika.

Not out of any spite, but she's the only one I really know anything about.

And to bring up the How much Tokiomi knew argument one more time, for me, how much he knew or did not know isn't as frustrating as the fact that we can never really be sure how he would have acted if he really knew just what Sakura is going through(some think he'd see it as a necessary, if painful step to being a Magus, others like myself believe that his daughter being tortured like that would piss him off, especially if he knew how pointless it was).

We'll always be in the dark on that. We can't even be sure how aware he was of the worms(Even if he's obviously evil to us, outside of Kotomine who hunts monsters for a living, and Kariya who's actually a part of the family he might just seem like a kooky old man).

Tokiomi is sadly just the fall guy to get Gil and Kirei together. Frankly I'd like to think He didn't know the specifics of it and ddin't know how sadistic Zouken could be

Luckily we have Prisma Illya so he can be a great and awesome father XD

Hmmm, a few fragmented spoilers about Apocrypha I came across

Apparently the fake!Siegfried from the prologue is one of the Black Masters using so far unknown hax to become his clone. This one is actually kinda old and pretty reliable as it came from one of the guys/girls that translated the prologue.

Also, one of the Black Masters is a homonolucus who was not supposed to be part of their prestigious little club, but was allowed in under a special condition. That condition being supplying prana for ALL black Servants and being locked in a basement. Probably with some torture as a bonus. He seems to be a very nice guy, because at least one of the OTHER Black Masters and three of black Servants (Astolfo , Chiron and Siegfried) are pretty pissed about his condition, and are trying to bust him out. Not so reliable spoiler, but it seemed to be taken at face value and discussed for several pages, so it may be true.

Holy crap, the prototype character sheet is terrible.