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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#8751: Sep 3rd 2016 at 12:08:47 AM

Like I said, it wouldn't be surprising if she did have Super-Senses.

What is surprising (to me) is that I've never seen/heard anyone mention it until just now.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#8752: Sep 3rd 2016 at 5:41:59 AM

Arf, as far as we know, doesn't have supersenses...

... but she is a wolf, so she probably has better senses in her natural human wolf. Remember, she actually is a wolf, not a human that turns into a wolf. The reverse happened when Fate Familiar'd her.

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Jupiterian Local
#8753: Sep 3rd 2016 at 9:38:32 AM

Canonically,Arf is with Chrono's household and babysitting his children
As far as I know, the last we see of Arf is at some point in Strikers (can't remember when, unfortunately), when she's hanging out with Yuuno doing Infinite Library things. The wiki seems to back that up.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#8754: Sep 4th 2016 at 1:32:48 AM

cRegarding Arf/Yuuno, both characters debuted in the very first MGLN installment as the Mentor Mascots of Nanoha and Fate, which of course made them enemies at the time and de facto friendly rivals afterwards... before Zafira came into the picture and Yuuno "retired" to the Infinite Library, that is.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#8755: Sep 4th 2016 at 5:22:32 AM

Arf was not Fate's mentor mascot. Arf was merely Fate's attendant, servant and aide, but not her mentor.

It has to do with the fact that Arf knows nothing that Fate doesn't already know and is even younger than Fate to begin with.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#8756: Sep 4th 2016 at 5:38:01 AM

Yeah, you're right. She's more of a Hypercompetent Sidekick than a Mentor Mascot, though you can't deny that anyone who looks at a poster with young Fate and animal-form Arf would think that she's a played-straight Mentor Mascot.

edited 4th Sep '16 5:38:53 AM by MarqFJA

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#8757: Sep 4th 2016 at 6:13:10 AM

Maybe, but we're supposed to have watched the series here.

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#8759: Oct 3rd 2016 at 6:51:24 AM

So, Vivid Strike is airing, and I'm looking forward to seeing DAT WORLDBUILDING. Specifically, the protagonist has some raw magical talent (ie, her fist glows when she punches people) and knows her way around a street brawl, but hasn't gotten any formal combat training.

This has the potential to be interesting because we haven't actually seen anyone starting training from scratch. Nanoha gets handed an intelligent device and kicked straight into actual combat, and everyone else already has the basics down before we see them fight on-screen.

Fuka doesn't even appear to use a barrier jacket, which makes me think that jackets might be a function of a mage's device, rather than the mage themselves. Have we seen mages without devices using barrier jackets before? The only device-less mages I can think of are Yuuno, Arf, and Zaf. Unfortunately, all three are shapeshifters so it's difficult to separate "shapeshifting abilities" from "barrier jacket". Yuuno seems to wear the same thing in and out of battle while in human form, at least in TOS and A's, though.

Also notable: they're able to fit Fuka with a training device (which apparently prevents injury, though it doesn't keep it from hurting when someone punches you, and doesn't generate an actual barrier jacket) with no real preparation. They pretty much just hand it to her and say "here, use this". It's possible that they'd prepared it beforehand (they did some research on her, and she'd just been in the hospital, so they might have gotten brain scans or whatever they needed from that), but they didn't go through any of the usual user setup stuff that we see with Raising Heart, Chris, or Tio.

I'm mostly musing about this subject because my Gundam crossover fix entails training Amuro from the very basics, and we haven't actually seen that process with anyone in Nanoha canon before, so it's relevant to my interests.

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justinkal Since: Oct, 2016
#8760: Oct 4th 2016 at 10:32:48 AM

which apparently prevents injury, though it doesn't keep it from hurting when someone punches you, and doesn't generate an actual barrier jacket
In the tournament from ViVid, every competitor was required to have a Device specifically so that a damage emulation program with those exact features could be run. IIRC, the program used for that also emulated injuries (restrict your body movements) whenever they would have occurred if you didn't have the program.

Pretty sure that the point is to make it so that you won't get injured, but you'll still experience all the disruptions to your fighting style and focus that occur as a fight progresses.

Also, that training device is probably a very low end type of Storage Device, which only casts a single specific spell (implemented in hardware instead of software), and does so automatically when activated.

edited 4th Oct '16 10:33:21 AM by justinkal

RBomber Since: Nov, 2010
#8761: Oct 23rd 2016 at 6:39:38 AM

So, anyone watch the last episode of-

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justinkal Since: Oct, 2016
#8763: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:49:32 AM

Heh. Had a feeling you'd enjoy this, Eva.

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#8764: Dec 21st 2016 at 9:43:35 AM

I'm planning on writing a fanfic set in Orussia/Orusea, the war-torn planet mentioned in Strikers Sound Stage X, but I need help: It is mentioned that there's more guns and ammunition than there is food there, but for the firearms used, do I have it be that despite the state of perpetual war, Orusea is advanced enough to have assault rifles or not?

edited 21st Dec '16 9:44:00 AM by HallowHawk

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#8765: Dec 21st 2016 at 1:31:49 PM

War speeds up development of weaponry, it doesn't slow it down, especially if the war is at a stalemate and/or the combatants are equal in tech level.

So, the state of constant war is an argument for super advanced tech, not against, because humans work a million times harder when they have someone to work against.

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#8766: Dec 21st 2016 at 3:21:30 PM

That is, unless it's the "total war" kind of conflict, which means that the capacity for development of new weaponry is dependent on how good the war is going for you; if you lose essential infrastructure, vital farmland, and other valuable resources to enemy long-range bombardment, scorched earth tactics and the like faster than you could rebuild them, then it means there's less and less for your national industry to work with, until in the end you find yourself hopelessly overtaken in the arms race if not lose all capability to stay in it in the first place.

That's why, for example, the USA war machine and industrial workhorse kept going until the end of WW 2, whereas the Nazi German and Japanese ones effectively screeched to a halt long before the war actually ended. It helped that none of Uncle Sam's enemies during said war were remotely capable of mounting a genuinely threatening assault on his mainland in the first place.

edited 21st Dec '16 3:24:39 PM by MarqFJA

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#8767: Dec 21st 2016 at 4:07:43 PM

War cannot go on for much longer after your war machine is crippled. The very description of a ridiculously long endless conflict means that the War Machine on both sides must still be going strong. If either side is crippled, then the war will end shortly afterwards.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#8768: Dec 22nd 2016 at 2:04:46 AM

Ah, but what if both sides get more or less equally devastated at the same time, stunting or even regressing both sides' tech advancement by roughly the same extent? That's the exact rationale behind real-life MAD policy during the Cold War: To guarantee that a nuclear war erupting between the USA and the USSR, regardless of who actually starts it, will end with both sides equally devastated (unless one of them manages to sabotage the other's second-strike capabilities).

edited 22nd Dec '16 2:05:59 AM by MarqFJA

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#8769: Dec 22nd 2016 at 2:08:26 AM

Then the war ends with both sides being losers instead of just one.

War cannot continue for very long if the War Machine on either or both sides is crippled, eventually you're gonna run out of stuff to throw at your enemy.

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#8770: Dec 22nd 2016 at 2:38:07 AM

You'd still have stones and sticks to throw around. Albert Einstein certainly seemed to think that a true WW3 will make it so that WW4 will only be fought by such things.

Then again, that assumes the two sides are that stubborn to keep fighting.

edited 22nd Dec '16 2:39:20 AM by MarqFJA

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#8771: Dec 22nd 2016 at 2:58:29 AM

Don't be ridiculous, Marq, Einstein wasn't saying that WW 4 would be fought with sticks and stones literally. It's called a metaphor.

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#8772: Dec 22nd 2016 at 3:02:37 AM

And I wasn't being literal either. You could easily replace "sticks and stones" with "swords and spears" or whatever pre-industrial weapon you prefer.

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#8773: Dec 22nd 2016 at 3:45:12 AM

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#8774: Dec 22nd 2016 at 4:51:07 AM

To restore sanity in this thread, I have this question: In that same fic I'm planning to write, I also intend to introduce Ki Manipulation, but how do I make it different from canon mana usage?

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#8775: Dec 22nd 2016 at 6:53:50 AM

[up][up] ... What? A nuclear WW3 could easily end up destroying the entire world's industrial infrastructure and force it back to pre-industrial technology.

[up] Make mana and ki different kinds of energy with different properties/applications? Unlike typical examples of ki in fiction, mana does not seem to be anywhere close to being Life Energy in the Nanohaverse, for example.

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