All Purpose Nanoha Fanfiction Thread!

Hmmm, this topic just got more interesting...

But since this is the fanfic thread, lets put a halt on this for now, to avoid cluttering up the pages meant for fanfic ideas and discussion.

Lets take it to the main Nanoha thread, shall we?

Nope, this is fanfiction territory.

And no, Marq, I am not ignoring the point that devices are readily available. I'm not arguing that in the first place. I'm saying that it's incredibly unlikely that just anyone can make one. Much less so military grade stuff.

Let's put it this way: If I were the TSAB, I would do my best to come down hard on the commercialization of military grade devices, with very large fines or jailtime for the useless one and offering the useful ones a job. Because it's the smart thing to do when you run a very large organization that is nonetheless too small to properly police the entirety of the space it is supposed to police, and I always assume that the people who are supposed to be smart are smarter than me (except when talking about Naruto).

Think about it like this: Even the USA, which has, comparatively speaking, very loose regulations on weaponry, will very much take notice of people with military grade hardware.

edited 29th Jun '16 7:24:22 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

I would argue about this topic strictly being a fanfiction topic because while it began with whether or not Amuro should build his own device, it evolved into a discussion of the canon universe's treatment of device reproduction and governance. Most of our arguments would not be related to whether or not Amuro should build his own, but rather how and why people could or should build devices and the implications of such.

So yeah, I propose this topic be taken to the main Nanoha thread.

What makes you think it isn't a discussion pertaining to fanfiction just because we're discussing what the canon is like?

Because it does pertain to fanfiction. A lot.

Or what, you think fanfiction should have nothing to do with canon?

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

I think it's more like: "Let's bring this to main thread so people who aren't really into fanfiction but nevertheless are interested in Nanoha fandom/ worldbuilding can chip in their opinion/ tidbits" rather than "this is canon, let's not clutter fanfic area with canon discussion".

But that's not what he said tho.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

True, but my intent was what R Bomber said. After all, some people are not interested in fanfiction but are interested in world building/possible fanon ideas. And I consider this topic one of those world building things that need to be discussed as a whole, not just because a particular fanfiction idea calls for it.

Even average Joes are permitted to have literal military-grade equipment (fully-automatic weapons, extended magazines for ammunition, etc.). Like, federally, they're allowed to, so long as they have the proper licenses and shit. Although some things differs from state to state.

So, MGLN being as idealistic a series as it is, it might well be possible for civilians to get their hands on military-grade Devices (even if it might be some years out-of-date) if they go through the proper channels to get registered with the right licenses and such.

I'd just as soon discuss it in both threads.

Is today the day where we only read a part of someone's statement and ignore the rest?

Because if you need a special license to have it, it's clearly covered by when I said that the government keeps a special eye on people with that kind of stuff lying around on their garage.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

Ah. In that event, it was more a case of reading a statement and then failing to understand what it meant.

Sorry. </sheepish>

I'm not really convinced that there's even a major difference between "military grade" devices and regular ones. We know that civilians are allowed to have combat-ready devices, including intelligent devices. Something like Vivio's Sacred Heart or Einhart's Asteion are undoubtedly more capable than, say, Chrono's device (which is a fairly basic storage device), and they're children while he's a friggen TSAB admiral.

Certain specific features (such as cartridge systems) may be restricted from general use, but given that devices are powered by their mage's mana, there's no real analogy between a pistol-class device and a bazooka-class device. Give a device to a relatively weak mage, and it's like a pistol. Give the same device to a sufficiently powerful mage and it's like a bazooka.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

Ah, yeah. Civilians. Because we've seen a whole lot of civilians who don't have ties with anyone in the TSAB military one way or another.

Remember: Practically everyone in the main cast is a poor choice to argue about how people can have military grade stuff on their homes with no supervision, because, well, they're not exactly your random average joe.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

We've got an entire tournament full of people wielding their own devices, you know. None of which are associated with Nanoha, Fate, Hayate, et al. And it's never mentioned that they had to pull any strings to get Vivio and her friends their devices anyway. Normally, you don't get to own a machine gun just because your mother is a machinegunner in army.

There's really nothing to suggest that devices are heavily restricted except your insistence that it doesn't make sense if they're not.

edited 30th Jun '16 12:49:21 PM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

There's nothing saying that the people in the tournament don't have ties to the TSAB in one way or another, even if that tie is the license to carry a weapon. Because the TSAB has demonstrated that they're not dumb and are willing to recruit promising and talented people.

Also, it's not that big of a stretch to believe that the TSAB is not idiotic enough to let people own weaponry unchecked. The series does not specify whether this is the case or not, and I don't think it's something it really needs to in either case.

Ultimately, you could say that it's left to interpretation, but I do still have to ask the question:

What sane government would allow something like that?

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

Yeah, I think I'm done with this conversation.

So, what do you guys think Amuro's customized device should be named?

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

White Devil?

Seriously though, there's not much of a noticeable trend in the degree of connection between a Device's name and its user, or even meaningfulness. At least Graf Eisen's name alludes to how it matches his user's ironclad tenacity in spite of whatever horrific amounts of injury she suffers; I bet all of the other Devices are weirded out by his nonchalance regarding how many times he has to undergo repairs due to how Vita's solution to something not breaking under her beloved warhammer is to simply smash it harder, with rocket-boosted swings if necessary. To her credit, it seems she has the Super-Strength and Graf Eisent the Super-Toughness required to make that tactic actually work.

edited 30th Jun '16 1:18:05 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Yeah, I knew stuff like that would happen.

Most, if not all of the devices were named by their owners and/or creators which are somehow related to the user in an implicit or explicit way. The only canon exception to this is Raising Heart. I'd also consider Bardiche as an exception, since Linith, smart girl as she is, just names Fate's device after well... a bardiche.

Anyway, I don't know much about Amuro's canon character (if you're using that as a criteria) to suggest a name he would probably think of. Well, he did designate a "name" for his personally made Gundam "Nu" so I guess you can start from there?

H 4 R, Type-0 Attachment.

I'm waiting the day Mariel Atenza meets him, discussing about device and engineering, then One Thing Led to Another....

And suddenly, Lalah Sune feels disturbance in the... force(?), and have weird urge to punch the first female engineer she could find....

Meanwhile, Char Aznable suddenly feels very, very light, to the point that he considers to not betray Garma....

It could be that non-military devices have a ceiling on power output, the way that Nanoha and Hayate have limiters on their own devices. And again, Vivid is a sports manga, so perhaps a lot of we see is exaggerated for effect.

Or maybe the devices in ViVid aren't exactly run of the mill stuff.

When it comes down to it, they're in a fighting tournament. It's like having a judo match but restricting them to wearing jeans and t shirts.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

But it's in an official sports league. That means certain mechanical restrictions to theoretically keep them on an even footing. At the very least, a maximum allowable limit to device capacities. That's why things like baseball bats are standardized.

Fairness is to be expected so, naturally, it's nonexistent.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

This sounds like some profound bit of wisdom. At a first glance.

Rather than smart, I'd prefer to be wise. It would let me be silly more often.

ISTR that Jovian's fic is either post- or late-OYW.

Garma's almost certainly already dead.

@IANCE: MGLN is also pretty well on the idealistic side of ye olde sliding scale (for the most part), so I think that you generally aren't going to find much in the way of heels or cheaters in its sporting leagues.

Especially based on what I've heard about Vivid being the lightest and softest entry in the prime universe.

edited 1st Jul '16 5:36:56 PM by EvaUnit01

Just because it doesn't have heels or cheaters don't mean it's fair.

I mean, presumably, there were normal people who tried to go in, but it's hard to say this tournament is fair when there's a clone of Belkan Jesus running around.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari