The Legend Of Zelda - General Thread

It's a huge shame they never really amount to much in the game- The Resistance has a pretty neat cast.

Yeah it's a shame. I just like getting a little glimpse of the peace before the game and the mechanics. Skyward Sword in contrast feels a lot more like a planned out sitcom for a beginning instead. It does make Twilight Princess look like many ideas were left on the cutting room floor especially concerning them.

I would really enjoy having a darker or moodier game like MM or TP again, honestly (though I think the former is much better at being unsettling and atmospheric than the latter). Even Ocarina of Time had some great moments like when you go into Hyrule Castle Town as an adult for the first time and find it filled with Redeads.

It's something interesting to think about, how a modern Zelda game would look without cel-shading and also without the grittier, muddier color palette from TP or the Wii U tech demo.

edited 22nd May '17 6:47:43 PM by Draghinazzo

The Wii U tech demo was so pretty.

The #Resistance would be so much cooler and more memorable if some of its members were nonhuman. Like, Rusl can stay human, but Auru, Ashei, and Shad should've been a Goron, a Gerudo, and a Zora respectively.

People say Telma is a Gerudo, but Gerudos don't have long ears.

Riju disagrees!

I think she's implied to be... Half? Or less?

She's got the darker complexion and red hair.

Those are pointed ears. Ganondorf has 'em, too. Telma's ears are much longer than that. Long like a Hylian's.

How can someone be half Gerudo? Presumably, 99.99% of all Gerudos have non-Gerudo fathers, yet they're still full Gerudos.

edited 22nd May '17 9:51:38 PM by ThriceCharming

Riju is just a child, is all.

Fuck man, I dunno.

Telma kinda looks like a Gerudo and kinda doesn't and this series plays really fast and loose with the story anyway.

Apropos.

My pet theory: Breath of the Wild takes place in the Hyrule Warriors timeline. That explains the amalgamation. I know Aonuma said Warriors isn't canon, but all fiction is equally fictional.

I mean, there are locations in BotW named after pretty much every Zelda character ever, including ones that only existed in Link's starvation and heat stroke induced hallucination. Pretty sure they're intended to be taken as easter eggs, and the in-universe justification of the names is something completely independent.

I still think that the Links Awakening adventure actually happened and that he got teleported into a Mind/Dream World that vanished once the dreamer (the Wind Fish) awoke.

That's way better than "lmao it was all a hallucination and not real"

edited 22nd May '17 10:31:51 PM by Jaryl

That is what happened. We see the Wind Fish back in the real world, and the Nightmare monster afflicting him is well explained. There's no reason to think it was Link's hallucination.

My phrasing may have been slightly facetious. But apparently I can't get away with not explaining the joke.

Yes of course it was taking place in a world created by the Wind Fish's dream. But that's not a succinct way of emphasizing how impossible it would be for geographical feature to be named after the characters from it.

Occam's Razor says Child Timeline, so until Word of God says otherwise that's what I'm going with.

Truly? Downfall timeline looks more likely to me, especially with Ganon becoming more and more powerful until he became a mindless, insapient evil.

@Zelda RPG a bit back

my biggest dream for this franchise is a Mario & Luigi-esque zelda rpg with link and zelda going through hyrule

@article:

I guess A Link Between Worlds doesn't exist now.

As for BotW's placement on the timeline, I'm not going to bother discussing it because I had my fill of that in the BotW thread. This conversation won't go anywhere. All I know that I think the game take place in the Downfall Timeline. It can't be the Child Timeline because the history of the Zora describes Princess Ruto as a Sage who fought alongside the Hero of Time and that didn't happen in the Child Timeline.

Of course, that means that there's a direct reference to Twilight Princess in the dialogue that makes absolutely no sense but, hey, whatcha gonna do?

Re: Timeline: Spoilers cause this is the General thread: Adult Timeline is ruled out by default, leaving evidence for both Child or Defeat, but IMO the evidence for Child is stronger. Zelda directly invokes SS (which happens in every timeline), OOT (which to some extent happens in every timeline), and TP (which happens only in Child Timeline). Now it wouldn't make sense to invoke the Hero of Time if you're from verse where he lost, and unless Fi, Rauru, or one of the goddesses had a word with Zelda behind the scenes, the only person who would be aware that time travel was happening was Link, who - again - got himself killed.

Next, as you say Ganon becoming more beastly is a thing in DT, but it also is in CT - Final Form Ganon in BOTW is basically TP Ganon on steroids. At the same time, the last confirmed title in the DT is Zelda II, which is about Link successfully preventing Gannon's resurrection. Now, that doesn't rule out being resurrected later, but the last known title in CT is FSA, where Ganon is merely sealed instead of dead. And as we all know, Mister G has a nasty habit of not staying sealed. Additionally, Urbosa references Ganon as formerly being Ganondorf of the Gerudo - which, again, is true regardless of timeline - but curiously is also something said aloud in FSA: "Ganon... this beast was once of the Gerudo... Once human. He was called Ganondorf!"

Finally, you can visit what's left of the Arbiter's Grounds, which, like Lon Lon Ranch, are located roughly in the same place as where they were in their first appearance. The reason this is relevant, but not any of the mountains, rivers, or valleys named after people, is that the Arbiter's Grounds, again like Lon Lon Ranch, is an actual, physical, significant place from a game whose events are confirmed to have happened in Bot W'a past.

Now, as Zelenal said , there is that issue. There's evidence for and against both of them, but from my point of view the evidence for CT is both more numerous and stronger than for DT.

Of course, this all assumes that Nintendo isn't just pulling a new timeline out of their ass. Which would be perfectly fine if they hadn't gone through the trouble of publishing an official timeline in the first place and then revising it a few years later.

At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter outside of where you would rather it be.

edited 23rd May '17 11:27:14 AM by TheAirman

In that same speech that references SS, OOT, and TP, Zelda references also Wind Waker and Link to the Past in the background while the champions talk, so that speech doesn't hold much water as evidence of anything.

And any physical area in the game would exist regardless of timeline. Arbiter's Grounds, as well as the Mirror of Twilight, didn't magically show up just in time for the Twilight Princess timeline after all.

In the end, I'd say that Ruto and Nabooru being directly referenced as important figures despite thousands of years going by, the Rito being around, and the Rock Salts directly referencing they came from a great ocean are way stronger pieces of evidence for the adult timeline

Twilight Princess is in the Child Timeline, not the Adult Timeline.

If she does, I have no idea how you heard her. Listening to it again, I just hear "Forged in the long distant past" and everything after that is drowned out by the Champions talking.

edited 23rd May '17 10:28:23 AM by Zelenal

The names of the child and adult timelines bug me, because the first post-split AT game is WW, starring Child Link, and the first post-split CT game is TP, starring Adult Link.

Yeah but it has nothing to do with what came after and everything to do with what happened in OoT.

Yeah, it just bugs me because when someone talks about a game being Child Timeline it's often in the context of "sequel to Twilight Princess".