Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- If a work is already reserved by another user, please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:42:49 AM
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Janusz and Miras, Veracruz, Clyde, Palpatine, Cletus, Westhaven, the Ripper, Okano.
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
for Seiji Okano and Cletus Clonesady.
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for Kostas Becker. Leaning for Pocketcat. What he does is atrocious, but when the game you're from makes it clear that nefarious acts such as murder, cannibalism, and rape is more commonplace than needing to drink water, it makes it hard for him to stand out.
Did we get a more in-depth answer about the whole "feeding off hundreds of kids' imagination" regarding Chauncey the Bear? Conversation kinda just stopped regarding that.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Pending (plus Saint stuff):
- Carl Reissman (Atlantis)
- The Night in Question: Ashley Henderson (Bozzy)
- Reborn Trilogy: Palpatine (Geode)
- Death in Paradise: Stanley Drake (MGD107)
- X-Men: Mutant Apocalypse: Apocalypse (Overlord)
- Love Lies Bleeding: Lou Sr. (Ravok)
...Phenomenal
for Okano and Clonetus.
for Pocketcat and Kostas.
pronounced 'Scraggle'
- The Saint radio:
- "The Death of the Saint": Carl Bruder, alias "Victor," was Hitler's heir apparent and second-in-command of the Third Reich during the Holocaust. Bruder cheated the hangman at Nuremberg by faking his own death so he could reappear in America, having all connections to his Nazi past erased, missing only an inconspicuous wine glass with his fingerprints on it. To reacquire the glass, Victor effortlessly slips back into his old sadistic tendencies. He murders a Russian agent while the latter is bound and gagged, personally tortures the Saint, and gleefully muses that he may well end up torturing both the Saint and the Girl of the Week to death, musing "dying from a bullet is rather pleasant compared to some other ways!"
- "Simon Minds the Baby": Fitz Alexander is a crooked boxing manager who fixes fights by threatening the loved ones of his opponents. When Simon's friend and pro boxer Joe Collins threatens Fitz's claim to the championship title, Fitz has Joe's baby son Donny kidnapped and threatens to do him harm if Joe doesn't throw the fight. Fitz dupes Joe's ex-wife into working with him, then after she realizes she's been tricking into kidnapping her own son, Fitz icily has her murdered. After Simon rescues baby Donny and Joe wins the fight, Fitz corners them and decides to kill them all out of nothing but pique, even throwing away his one chance at a getaway aside to do so. Plainly derided by the otherwise snarky and carefree Saint as a "sick" and "very twisted" man, Fitz is easily the most spiteful killer Simon ever fought in the Lighter and Softer radio dramas.
- The Saint: The Brazilian Connection: Dr. Ian Lester is one of the uppermost members of a baby-trafficking ring that stretches from Brazil to America all the way to Europe, and he lacks the redeeming qualities of most of his cohorts, including his boss Mrs. Cunningham. Lester has babies kidnapped from their mothers and sold abroad to would-be adoptive parents, all while Lester lies through his teeth about the origins of each baby, assuring every buyer with a knowing smile that the babies were "abandoned" or voluntarily given up by the victims of his thefts. When his cohort accidentally dies attempting to kill the Saint, Dr. Lester apathetically uses his death to frame the Saint, threatening an innocent man into testifying as a witness to "murder." Dr. Lester is also happy to kill anyone who stands in the way of his schemes, such as a Brazilian cop who gets too close to the truth.
- The Saint: Wrong Number: Irma Davos is introduced as the lover and Bastard Understudy of Georges Millas, a washed-up arms dealer seeking to reestablish himself on the arms market. Having learned everything she can from Millas, Irma seizes the chance to get rid of him the instant his would-be clients rule him a loose end, shooting him dead even as he begs for his life. Irma moves onto seducing the genocidal terrorist Peter Lang, who wants to incite global chaos by selling twenty nuclear warheads to be used on twenty different targets around the world. Irma is only too willing to murder innocent people, in one instance threatening the wife of an associate who gets cold feet. Ultimately, Irma proves even worse than Lang; after Lang genuinely falls in love with her, Irma betrays him, shoots him in the gut, and dismisses him as a "little gray man" who fell at her feet and paid the price for it. Driven by nothing but pure mercenary greed, Irma intends on selling Lang's nukes herself, regardless of how many thousands or millions of people die for the sake of her payday.
- The Sayan in Miami: Captain Heinrich Friede, one of the chief Nazi secret agents in America, is the series' first introduction to the Nazi cruelty that would come to define the darker tone of the Saint's adventures for the next half-decade. A sickeningly racist man who desires for the eradication or enslavement of all those not of "Aryan" blood, Friede is undercover to alienate American sympathy from the Allies. To do this, Friede has an unarmed tanker bombed, killing over a hundred American seamen in one fell swoop, then kills another young man and plants evidence on his body to make the Americans think the British were responsible for the attack. Friede has a retinue of American Nazi sympathizers, all of whom he treats horribly; when his financier Lawrence Gilbeck tries to get out of the scheme on his yacht the Mirage, Friede intercepts him, massacres the entire crew of the Mirage, and threatens Lawrence back into line by promising to torture and kill both him and his daughter if they ever set foot out of line again. Later on, Friede murders a rich playboy he's conned into working with him, admitting he was just another pawn in a long series of such that Friede has used and disposed of.
- "Arizona": Dr. Ludwig Julius is a truly sadistic Nazi commissary who covets a ranch in Arizona for the cinnabar beneath it. Dr. Julius' main problem is that the ranch is owned by a land baron named Don Morland; to break Don into "legally" turning over the land, Julius decides to destroy Don's life so he has no other choice. First he kills Don's brother, then one of his innocent ranch hands, then he drags Don, his daughter Jean, and Simon Templar into the cinnabar mine beneath the ranch. There, Dr. Julius forces Simon, at gunpoint, to flog Don with a quirt while Jean is Forced to Watch, under the alternative of instead having Jean herself stripped and tortured by a thug whom Julius gloats used to work at Dachau. Don still refuses to sign over the ranch, so Dr. Julius decides to have him sent off to a concentration camp in Germany so he can break Jean into signing the deed in her father's name. All this is so he can extract mercury from the ranch's cinnabar mine, so Julius can make weapons of war with which "thousands of men will be killed and cities will be blasted" for the glory of his deranged ideology.
Edited by Starkrafty on Mar 28th 2024 at 4:01:19 AM
Watch for the sign of the Saint — he will be back!
Carrot Clone
Been in a Dune mood after watching Jodorowsky's Dune (excellent documentary for those who haven't seen it), so I figured I could propose somebody from another famous Dune adaptation...
What’s the Work?
Frank Herbert's Dune and Frank Herbert's Children of Dune are a duology of miniseries by the Sci-Fi Channel. Despite the channel's reputation for their really crappy in-house programming, both miniseries (especially the latter) were lauded by critics and fans for their faithfulness toward the source material that the previous adaptation lacked.
The first miniseries was a straight adaptation of the first book, comprised of three 90-minute episodes. The second miniseries combined the second and third books together into another three episode story.
And as you can expect, there's a certain somebody who I'll be proposing.
Who is He?
Baron Vladimir Harkonnen is the ever-so evil and obese ruler of the House Harkonnen, and every bit as vile as his original book counterpart.
What has he done?
Seeking control of the Spice to gain immense power, Baron sets up shop on the planet Arrakis in order to harvest the Spice for himself, using his dimwitted nephew Glossu Rabban to submit the planet and its inhabitants, the Fremen, to his whim through murder and fear, even having the Fremen villagers hunted for sport. Baron hopes to have Rabban terrorize a village so that his prized nephew Feyd-Rautha can step in, kill his brother, and act as the Fremens’ savior so that he gain their trust, even grooming his "handsome" nephew to be his eventual successor.
A disgusting slob in the meantime, Baron also has young boy slaves do his bidding for him, often forcing them to sleep with him for personal pleasure. Baron even owns a slave pit that Gurney was once a part of, even having his young slaves sent to his nephew Feyd to fight to the death for his amusement, with hundreds dying by Feyd's hands.
Baron, with the help of Feyd, orchestrates the Emperor's desire to see the downfall of House Atreides so that he can control the Spice and obtain power over the universe, along with paying what he sees as revenge on the Atreides' for humiliating his bloodline for centuries. Implanting Dr. Yueh as the traitor among the Atreides family, while promising to free his wife should he succeed, Baron gives his men the orders to take no prisoners during the attack on House Atreides.
Upon Lady Jessica’s capture, Baron gloats that he could cut her vocal cords and allow Piter to rape her, but instead opts to just throw her into the desert to die among the sands of Arakis alongside her son Paul, as that would make it look like he wasn't personally responsible for the attack. Upon the Atreides's downfall, Baron presents Yueh with the dead body of his wife, claiming that as he’s a man of his word, he has indeed "freed" her soul from this world. But Baron has Yueh killed anyway, as one should never trust a traitor, not even one they created. Baron even kept the paralyzed Leto alive so that he could witness his entire empire crumble.
But Baron has bigger plans, as he secretly plots with Feyd to assassinate the Emperor so that he can take his place as ruler of the universe. Baron also assists the Emperor in the Fremen genocide to crush the rebels led by Paul, now "Muad'dib". Attempting to kill Paul's little sister Alia when she reveals herself as a distraction for the Fremen rebels to enact their big attack, she ends up fatally stabbing him, putting an end to the Baron’s evil ways... or so we thought.
Returning as a Ghola many years later, Baron, desiring revenge, acts as the grown up Alia’s spiritual advisor, corrupting her into becoming such a paranoid dictator that she wishes to murder Jessica and Paul's twin children to secure her spot. His possession of her proves to be so horrible that, when given the option by Leto-II to either kill him or commit suicide, Alia chooses the latter option, finally dying as herself and foiling the Baron’s plan.
Redeeming Qualities?
None. While Baron claims that he's angry at the Atreides for humiliating his family, that doesn't mean he actually cared about them; considering he openly despises Rabban, isn't afraid to kill his precious Feyd if he falls out of line, and will gleefully possess his own granddaughter to kill his daughter and other family members, it's safe to say that Baron is only concerned about his ego and lineage, which he sees his bloodline as an extension of.
Heinousness?
The Baron is the standard, responsible for hundreds, if not thousands, of deaths, slave pits, molestations, attempted genocide, and more. While the fall of House Atreides and Fremen genocide can be traced back to the Emperor, it's the Baron who is the most involved in carrying out his plans, while having a couple of nasty side-hobbies of his own.
Sadly, Rabban doesn't do much to count. When he's not getting insulted by his uncle, Rabban primarily oppresses the Fremen (all of which is offscreen), publicly kills some captured Fremen rebels as a lesson to a village... and that's it. Unlike other adaptations, he doesn't participate in the House Atreides massacre, nor does he get involved in the Fremen genocide, unlike his uncle.
Conclusion
Easy keeper
Edited by therealjackieboy on Mar 28th 2024 at 3:29:40 AM
"It doesn't matter anymore. You win. It is Duck Season."
Goku Black
Baron Harkonnen
The Baron.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Yes to the Baron. Again.
(Says I, who will EP a Palpatine soon ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
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Edited by ACW on Mar 28th 2024 at 6:39:38 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Not the Eye
Baron Harkonnen again, he really is Palpatine of the Dune universe.
Woudn’t be shocked if there are bunch of fan work versions of him just waiting to be proposed.
Edited by EmperorGeode on Mar 28th 2024 at 3:51:45 AM
Fanfiction proponent
The Baron. Will we be seeing a Dune list in time?
The Ultimate Lifeform
to Baron Harkonnen!
Not the Eye
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Ravok did state there are probably more in original books when proposing original Rabban, so I’ll say it’s only matter of time at this point.
Fanfiction proponent
Glad to hear it.
I also write fanfiction.
Vlad
@Arawn 999 man, I’ve been further away from comics for a while.
Edited by nwotyzal on Mar 28th 2024 at 4:01:17 AM
What is the work?
"The Dare" is a Call of Cthulhu scenario by Kevin A. Ross where a group of tweenage kids are dared by a local bully to spend the night in a haunted house only to discover something far more dangerous than a budding sociopath is lurking inside.
In Ain't Slayed Nobody's three-episode podcast playthrough, Pauline (Becca Scott), Kyle (Ross Bryant), and Charles (Scott Dorward) are a trio of tweenage troublemakers in 1986 Delaware aptly nicknamed the Trouble Trio. When their clubhouse is vandalized and their box of secrets is stolen by local bully Roger, the Trouble Trio accept a dare to stay in the Old Barnaker Place—a derelict mansion rumoured to be haunted—on a stormy Halloween night.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
Ellen Rawes was an inhabitant of Arkham, Massachusetts during the late 17th century. Accused of witchcraft alongside her husband John Rawes, Evelyn managed to escape in 1693. Resurfacing ~200 years later under the alias Evelyn Barnaker, Ellen—who was indeed a witch who'd made a pact with Nyarlathotep to obtain immortality and supernatural powers—moved into 12 Ashwood Road and became the seemingly benevolent benefactor of an orphanage. However, in 1885 Evelyn was noticed to be acting strangely before mysteriously vanishing. Over the following years, people noticed strange lights flickering in the old home and rumours of it being haunted began cropping up. As it turns out, as a side-effect of her pact Evelyn was afflicted with an insatiable hunger for human flesh and had developed a particular taste for children, maintaining a grandmotherly facade to lure in unsuspecting prey. However, Eveyn's power began transforming her a monstrous hag, as well as causing her to continuously give birth to rat-things and bat-things—hybrids of the children and vermin she devours. Faking her death, for the next ~200 years Evelynn hid herself away in the secret rooms and underground chamber her rat-thing "children" and the mundane vermin (rats, centipedes, cockroaches, snakes, worms, and maggots) she controls through magic excavated, preying not only on those foolish enough to move into her old house but the children of the surrounding neighbourhood and even her own offspring. Needing to sacrifice several victims to conduct a ritual to renew her immortality, Evelyn finds local bully Roger Simmons snooping around her home—hiding the secret letters stolen from the Trouble Trio—and kills him, using her brood to reanimate and puppeteer his corpse. When local vagrant Old Danny ventures inside, Evelyn has her minions dispose of him and stash his half-eaten corpse on an upstairs closet for later.In Ain't Slayed Nobody's playthough, the Briggs family moved into 12 Ashwood Road—aka the Old Barnaker Place—in 1962, leading to their 11-year-old daughter Donna being eaten in 1963. Following this the house was left abandoned, slowly rotting into a decrepit ruin as Evelynn continued her vile activities. When Pauline, Kyle, and Charles enter the Old Barnaker Place on a dare from "Roger", the witch terrorizes them—causing a broken grandfather clock to chime, sewing a doll in Pauline's likeness, and glamouring herself as Pauline's grandmother when spying on her through mirrors (which slowly drives Pauline insane). She siccs Roger and her giant bat-thing offspring on the Trouble Trio—resulting in Kyle being devoured from the inside-out by vermin. As Pauline and Charles try to escape via the cellar's coal chute, she captures the former and eats her alive.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
Gonna be a big fat nope. Evelyn Barnaker is a big, fat, witch-with-a-b, and even her own offspring are on the menu when there aren't any human children for her to snack on.Are they bad enough?
In the scenario outline, Roger Simmons is a budding sociopath with no redeeming features—epitomizing Kids Are Cruel by being a stereotypical thuggish bully who's happy to beat up younger kids, and tortures and kills animals to amuse himself. However,comes from an abusive home, is Reforged into a Minion by Evelynn five days before the scenario begins, and his older brother Ace is said to be even worse... but is an optional encounter who is intended to be killed by the undead Roger.In Ain't Slayed Nobody's playthrough, while Pauline is a mischievous brat and Charles is more than a little morbid and creepy, Roger is the only other true antagonist, though he's toned down to a vulgar and thuggish child (though he does threaten the Trouble Trio with his pocket knife), but he doesn't hit girls. After being Reforged into a Minion he retains his memories and sadistic personality, but is subservient to Evelyn's will.
Evelyn has eaten dozens—if not hundreds—of children over the last 200-plus years. The remains of her victims are scatted throughout the mansion and its grounds, and at night the ghosts of her victims roam the lawn.
Final verdict?
Edited by Arawn999 on Mar 31st 2024 at 5:51:35 AM
Not the Eye
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Evelynn.
Switching to abstain for Pocketcat if it really is one of those “everyone is so bad that nobody stands out” works like Project Moon’s games that also got a candidate rejected for the exact same reason.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Horror Hunger for her though?
Edited by ACW on Mar 28th 2024 at 8:11:16 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
for Baron Harkonnen and Evelyn Barnaker.
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
What is the work?
The 1979 Doctor Who serial "City of Death" starring Tom Baker as the Fourth Doctor.
Who is Scaroth and what has he done?
Scaroth (Julian Glover) is the last of an alien race called the Jagaroth. He first landed on Earth about 400 million years ago. When he attempted to leave the planet, his ship exploded and he was splintered throughout the time vortex, leading parallel lives in twelve different time periods. He spends centuries helping to advance the human race to the point that technology is created that can allow him to go back in time and prevent the explosion. He fails and is ultimately killed by his own servant.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
As the last of his kind, Scaroth attempts to prevent the extinction of his race, which may seem like a noble goal. However, the Doctor says the Jagaroth are "a vicious, callous, war-like race". Since the explosion of Scaroth's ship was the event that sparked the creation of all life on planet Earth, preventing it would result in the erasure of humanity and countless other species. This alone cancels out any notion that Scaroth's mission is an honorable one.
Is Scaroth bad enough?
Scaroth is best described as an Omnicidal Maniac. He knows full well that changing his past will doom humanity and he makes it quite clear that he does not care about humans at all. This, despite the fact that he has lived among humans for millennia and is even married to one. It is debatable whether he ever truly loved his wife, as he kills her during the story and even jokes about it afterwards. He also kills a scientist who was working for him by aging him to death and threatens to destroy Paris if the Doctor's companion Romana does not help him with his scheme. In a telling scene, he has two of his henchmen shot for "underperforming", even though they accomplished exactly what he asked of them.
Final verdict?
Scaroth has no redeeming features and is one of the Doctor's most formidable and despicable one-off foes.
Edited by LarryMullen on Mar 28th 2024 at 8:40:24 AM
Gentle Laborer
Harkonnen and Evelyn
Scaroth—War-like or not, trying to prevent the extinction of his people does seem mitigating.
Edited by TheMadCr0w on Mar 28th 2024 at 9:41:14 AM
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Yeah, that sounds like his race is Always Chaotic Evil and therefore he lacks agency regardless.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Edited by Arawn999 on Mar 28th 2024 at 12:20:38 PM