Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
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If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
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Who is the candidate and what have they done?
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Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:42:49 AM
Hojo has the same position as Scarlet and you mentioned the other Executives but left out Hojo when discussing competition
So yes I believe that is worth pointing out someone with similar authority doing worse then her
Also how the heck is mass slaugheter bad enough in a series where that is common place by both Shinra and Sephorith?
It seems a like ridiculous downplay of the FF 7 standards
Also Hojo not doing mass slaughter?
uh
no he has done that
so even more damning to Scarlet counting.
And I do not see the reasons for the agressivness here.
You left out vital information and i pointed out why that was the case.
why are you being defensive?
Edited by YorkobeShounen on Mar 27th 2024 at 6:58:22 AM
Not the Eye
@Starkrafty, well I did sucesfully got The Dividual group of five up back when rule was loosened, but yeah entire Empire is way, way to many.
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I did not discuss other executives in terms of competition, except for in a broad sense as a group, and Hojo is a member of that group.
Regardless, you and others have made your point, I'll drop her and see what happens in Part 3 to elevate her heinous standard.
EDIT - I'm being defensive because your initial post was to accuse me of "bad form" for not taking into account information I didn't have. And as I've dropped my candidate, this conversation serves no further purpose.
Edited by DrakeClawfang on Mar 27th 2024 at 7:01:17 AM
for what it's worth I don't think it's impossible for her to count in the future although I am not personally betting on it
and I apologize for that. As Polar just did not tell you as you said.
Just did not want Polar to lose the chance to discuss this but your right that you could not have known so I am sorry for the overreaction
Edited by YorkobeShounen on Mar 27th 2024 at 7:05:39 AM
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to Lord Kogorr, Palpatine, Commandante Veracruz and Janus Krzycki.
If their are only three other human traffickers out a series with nearly a thousand episodes, I don't think there is any issue with them keeping (honestly his dragon sounds like he might keep as well, unless he's just Krzychi's trigger man).
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Still unsure on Janusz. Seems like too much is implied.
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I'm gonna hit back on the votes in a minute. But for now...
In this rendition of "I Tried Playing an Old-School Game Then Got Salty Because the Memory Card Corrupted My Save Data"...
Vigilante 8 is a Vehicular Combat game from the 90s inspired by Interstate '76. The plot is pretty basic: an oil conglomerate known as OMAR has been gradually buying all the oil companies around the world, with the exception of the ones in the United States. In order to destabilize the country, OMAR hired Australian terrorist Sid Burn to destroy all of the oil and gas foundations in the region. Sid and a gang of criminals named the Coyotes steal a bunch of hi-tech weaponry for their cars and go to town, blowing up everything in sight. When law enforcement can't handle them, a man named Convoy forms a group of Vigilantes called...the Vigilantes to swoop in and save the day.
Despite dismantling the Coyotes and "disappearing" Sid Burn, the Vigilantes fail to stop OMAR from taking over the rest of the world and turning it into a smog-infested wasteland by the 2010s. In Vigilante 8: 2nd Offense, the CEO of OMAR is frustrated over failing to conquer America. After he and two of his subordinates steal time-travel machinery, they go back into the 70s to kill Convoy, destroy the Vigilantes, and take over America (and the rest of the world) for good.
So let's chat about the company's CEO...
Who Is He?
Lord Clyde is the Big Bad of the second game and the CEO of OMAR/new leader of the Coyotes.
What Has He Done?
So Lord Clyde originally started off as Slick Clyde, your stereotypical country hick who drives in a Clydesdale jeep. Originally a drifter going to an Auto Show, Slick Clyde chose to help out the Vigilantes after Convoy and his second-in-command, John Torque, were impressed with his vehicle and imposed. So he does, assisting the Vigilantes in taking out the Coyotes while growing more irritated by Convoy's demands and the damage his jeep sustains. As the Vigilantes gradually mop up the Coyotes and Torque ends capturing Sid Burn, Clyde considers murdering Convoy and taking over the Vigilantes. Before he can do so, he comes across cyborg Houston 3's armband (which she managed to pry off) and straps it on...which takes over his mind and turns him evil.
Jumping into 2nd Offense, Slick Clyde has started working for OMAR, selling pricey oil to impoverished nations and doing dozens of dirty dealings. Over the span of decades, Slick Clyde soon becomes CEO of the company and successfully ends up owning or destroying every single oil company around the world (except America), now donning the moniker "Lord Clyde." Unfortunately, Lord Clyde's illegal dealings and "acquisitions" did not go unnoticed; the CIA and United Nations started investigating him. Not helping matters was Clyde's deteriorating health, as the man was pushing seventy now. Refusing to pass on without seeing America crumble, Lord Clyde discovered time traveling capsules at Stanford University. He dispatched Obake, his trusted assistant, to steal the device so he, Obake, and his cybernetic assassin Dallas 13 could travel back to the 70s and turn America into a wasteland.
Now back in the past, Lord Clyde works quickly, recruiting Nina Loco and former Coyotes Molo and Boogie and "killing" Convoy to dismantle the Vigilantes. The Coyotes start mowing their way through America, robbing a ski resort, blowing up an oil refinery, and destroying a nuclear power plant. Clyde also sends Dallas 13 to kill Houston (who underwent a Heel–Face Turn after taking off her armband), which fails repeatedly and results in Dallas 13's death. Running out of manpower, Clyde steals more cash to hire more assassins, but hits a major setback when Houston hijacks Dallas 13's vehicle to go back in time and bring back Convoy. With Convoy back, the Vigilantes hunting him, Dallas 13 dead, and Agent R. Chase on his tail, Clyde decides it's time to cut and run. As he's fleeing, he's stopped by Chase...and then suddenly knocked out by Obake. When Clyde wakes back up, he discovers he's handcuffed in his car and that Obake has betrayed him. Why, you ask?
Weeeeeeeelllll, Obake's storyline reveals that her best friend/partner, Darius, went missing. And after working with Dallas 13 for some time, she realizes that Dallas 13 is Darius; Clyde had him converted into a biobot and routinely tortured him to suppress any emotions and thoughts about his former life. To make matters worse, she also learns that Clyde murdered her father during his rise to power to eliminate any competition. As expected, Obake does not take this well—especially after Dallas 13 is killed on top of all this. So she knocked out Clyde, went back to the future, and handcuffed him inside his limo. With no hesitation, she engages the limo's autopilot, flies straight into OMAR's HQ with the weapons armed, and bails out, leaving Clyde to perish in a fiery explosion.
Mitigating Factors?
Okay, so I have an issue here we should chat about. The first one is not that he was a true hero loyal to the Vigilantes. He was the group's Token Evil Teammate / Attention Whore who considered overthrowing the Vigilantes because he didn't like Convoy and Torque. So we'll scrap that.
My problem stems around his Face–Heel Turn. The armband he puts on was a mind-control device that kept Houston under OMAR's control. She broke free, became good, and joined the Vigilantes. When Clyde puts it on, it warps his brain and he becomes evil. Neither game explains how or why this happens—and this is further muddled because Houston is a cyborg...Clyde is human (or a mutant since he has lightning powers). Yet somehow he was susceptible to the armband's powers. What makes even less sense is that Dallas 13 is a full-fledged robot with a human's brain inside of it, and Clyde has to reprogram him several times because he keeps gaining his memories of his past life and hesitates to fight for Clyde.
All this being said? After Clyde slaps on the circuitry, he has no complaints. When he starts working for OMAR selling oil, he becomes filthy rich. The second game also makes it clear he doesn't even care about that. He's in it "for the power, the action, the dirty dealings, and above all — he's out to make history!"
Overall, a forced Face–Heel Turn, but one that Clyde was okay with, if not flat-out happy about.
Heinous Standard Issues?
Pretty easy clear. Padre Destino tries to start the apocalypse, but it's implied he's a bit unhinged. Sid Burn was the Big Bad of the original game, but despite all he's done, he never set out to achieve global domination. That being said, still tempted to do an EP on him since he more or less succeeded in starting an oil crisis and caused wanton destruction with the Coyotes. All the other Coyotes have a Heel–Face Turn, Freudian Excuse, or don’t make the mark. Lord Clyde, meanwhile, is a narcissist who only joined the Vigilantes to fuel his ego. In the sequel...he does just that, going back in time just to kill Convoy and the other Vigilantes, as well as taking over all of America so he'll have full domination of the world. Not to mention other tidbits, like him brainwashing Obake's best friend and turning him into a murderous robot, killing Obake's father and manipulating her into working for him, sending Coyotes on multiple missions to rob and/or blow up American monuments...y'know, the "little" things.
There's also no need to compare it to Vigilante 8 Arcade, as that game has its own continuity and straight-up removes Clyde...for some reason.
Final Verdict?
Unsure. The means concerning his Face–Heel Turn give me pause. I'll let y'all decide what to do in that regard.
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Uh considering the other people can snap out of it. But he chooses to be evil. Lord Clyde. Kinda reminds me of General Mugen
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combine and scarlet
Considering how high the heinousness standard is for these games, I'll go with to Scarlet
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for Commandante Veracruz. Janusz Krzycki I'm very iffy on for heinous reasons.
for the Combine and Scarlett (for now).
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Is he ever freed from the mind control at any point, and then chooses to keep being evil anyway? That’s pretty much the only reason we let the Batman Who Laughs up; he chooses to do evil even after gaining the capacity to do good. Otherwise, is there any indication that he is Not Brainwashed?
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Not the Eye
Abstain on Clyde for reasons
I have another Fanfic Palpatine for us.
What is the work?
What If Darth Sidious SECRETLY Cloned Anakin Skywalker is another Pente Patrol Star Wars Fanfic video. As you can guess plot is that Palpatine had Anakin cloned.
What has Palpatine done here?
Shortly before Anakin is wounded in battle of Maridun, Sidious had a vision of him being irreperably burned and damaged. When wounded Anakin was brought to Coruscant, Palpatine has Nala Se clone him as back-up plan. On Mount Tantiss, countless Clones of Anakin are created, majority of them being failures who dies either shortly after creation or in Bakta tanks. Palpatine and Kaminoans were able to make clones Force sensitive thanks to Anakin not drown in the Dark Side like Palpatine, cultivating minds of Jedi and turning them to Dark Side.
Sidious had Inguisitors hunt Jedi and bring them to Tantiss to help cultivating the Clones with the Light Side, while Vader was given mundane tasks like enslaving Wookies and other species Palpatine describes as lesser beings. His plan was for Vader to either completely loses godness in him or to eventually get killed by one of his own clones. Year after rise of the Empire, Palpatine organises for Vader to face clone on Thyferra under guise of being sent to hunt down Jedi survivor. When Vader kills clone and returns to Coruscant, Palpatine electrocuted him and plays of fight as manifestation of Vader’s uncentrainity, having clone’s body replaced with body of Jedi killed during the purge to mantain illusion.
When three Clones were finished, Palpatine took them to Exegol where he builds Final Order as Contingency in case he needs to take over galaxy by the force. He trains Clones to be better than Vader in ligtsaber battle, eventually having them battle until only one remained. After Vader was beaten by Kenobi, Palpatine sends clone to kill him. Palpatine arrives on Mustafar to watch battle, mocking and personally killing Vader with Ligthning. Now with Anakin clone as his apprentice, Palpatine continues with his ultimate plan, create army of clones with Anakin’s midiclorian count and drain them all to become Force God.
When Death Star was destroyed, Palpatine sends his apprentice to kill Luke and Obi Wan (who survived events of new hope). While second Death Star nears completion and it superlaser used as prototype for Final Order fleet, he prepares for his final Victory. Coming to Exegol where nearly hundred clones of Anakin and Jedi he captured, where he spends 3 years cultivating Dark Side to point where he can make his plan a reality. Meanhvile Luke and Leia, alongside Kenobi and Yoda who trained them, face clone Anakin on Chandrila after he comited “a small genocide” to get their attention.
Clone Anakin wins and kills them, starting to plot ot overthrow Palpatine while he is called to Exegol. Palpatine drains essence from his apprentice and does starts draining clones, becoming God for a moment before he is destroyed by amount of power he absorbed and takes Exegol with him. Empire is left withous strong leader and made into more democratic goverment, eventually to be reformed back into Republic while both Jedi and Sith arts are lost to time.
Reddeming qualities?
Palpatine.
Heinous standard?
All his prequel era crimes, tyranny across the galaxy, planning to drain all Clones and become God to rule over universe and lot of personal nastines along the way.
Conclusion?
Yes.
Edited by EmperorGeode on Mar 27th 2024 at 9:07:57 AM
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That's why I'm iffy. I don't know; I've been combing through the game's cutscenes for more clarification, but I don't think it's explained. All I can say is that, whether or not Clyde is brainwashed, he's perfectly content with his new position. To quote the game:
"It may seem ironic that Clyde's life's work was determined by a piece of OMAR circuitry, but Clyde sure ain't complaining — selling pricey oil to impoverished nations has made him a fortune."
I really can't tell just how aware he is of his current predicament. But regardless, Clyde's reaction isn't "Damn it, I can't control my actions!" It's more so "...Oh hey, I'm rich now. Fuck it; I'm staying with the bad guys."
I will point out, since you asked if he has capacity of doing good...keep in mind he only joined the Vigilantes for fame and glory, and it's outright stated he doesn't care about their cause. This is before he got brainwashed.
Edited by Tyk5919 on Mar 27th 2024 at 12:06:54 PM
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It doesn't seem like the game is actually flat-out saying he's brainwashed, though, if it's ascribing his motives explicitly to greed and power-thirst as opposed to "this thing made him evil." And if was already willing to consider cold-blooded murder before he put on the wristband, it sure doesn't seem like he's changed much, if any.
Unless there's in-game evidence saying outright he's not in control of himself, I'm saying yes to Clyde.
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Even so, regardless of how he was beforehand, this does feel like a case where it’s TOO ambiguous to really tell; and our general policy in those situations is to downvote.
Actually, yes; does the game explicitly indicate he is brainwashed?
Edited by MasterN on Mar 27th 2024 at 9:13:10 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
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Honestly fine with this. Sounds like Gharnef or Thresh. Whose evil got amplified by a corruptive object but was already cold blooded even before that.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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Hold on. >__< Lemme go back and check some cutscenes and shiz.
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for Palpatine, Veracruz, Janusz, Palpatine 2 and I think yes to Clyde.
for the Combine and Scarlet.
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Palpatine and Palpatine, Clyde
Calling season 3 of Alex Rider, it comes out on the 5th
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Palpatine is Palpatine. So that's all that needs to be said about my vote. 
Y'all, I can't find much of anything else regarding Clyde. There's no quotes, no backstory, no moments in his campaign of him trying to break free of control, no moments of him regretting his decisions, no moments of him stating he's being brainwashed, and nothing showing that Clyde is being forced to be evil and do OMAR's bidding. Okay—this is all I can do now. I'm gonna compare/contrast Clyde with Houston and Dallas XIII, the other brainwashed characters in the series.
- Houston 3
- Was originally a young woman named Tanyah.
- Kidnapped by OMAR, turned into cyborg, forced to do their commands.
- Repeatedly questions why she does what she does and why she has feelings for Vigilante leader Convoy.
- Cuts off her armband through sheer Heroic Willpower, joins Convoy, becomes a Vigilante.
- Dallas XIII
- Was originally a young man named Darius.
- Was "recruited" by Lord Clyde, and at some point, converted into a cybernetic assassin.
- Repeatedly questions why he remembers the name Darius and repeatedly hesitates to follow Clyde's commands.
- Hesitates to kill Houston at first.
- Is repeatedly tortured/reprogrammed to have his feelings and memories of Darius' life suppressed until what remains of his humanity is completely gone.
- Tragically killed by Houston in self-defense.
- Lord Clyde
- Was originally a young man named Slick Clyde.
- Joins the Vigilantes solely to boost his ego, despite not liking Convoy or Torque or caring about their cause.
- Repeatedly gets irritated with Convoy's demands, but lets them go since he's in the spotlight.
- Gets fed up with the Vigilantes and conspires to kill Convoy and take over.
- Finds Houston's armband in the bathroom she pried it from and puts it on because this man is smart like that.
- Willingly tries to get the Coyotes to come back after they disbanded; this fails.
- Willingly joins OMAR and starts working for them without them needing to "persuade" or threaten him to.
Veracruz, Coredragon, Miras
Clyde, mind control issue sounds too hazy
x7 Minami has a few too many comedic scenes and his crimes fall short on gravitas, maybe if his finale teaser scene was followed through, but it ended 14 years ago...
Edited by moctezuma2000 on Mar 27th 2024 at 1:10:14 PM
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Janusz and Another Palpatine
I'm personally leaning "yes" on Clyde, even if it's ambigious whether or not he's brainwashed, from the details presented I feel the story does ultimately lean into the interpretation that he was already evil beforehand and willingly chose to use the wristbands instead of him being forced to use it.
to the Combine. I'm fine with letting groups with 4 to 6 members onto this trope, but an Evil Empire is still too large for all of the members to be given characterization in my eyes.
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So there's no indication either way if Clyde knows he's brainwashed? Or even what the armband would do? That's too ambiguous. Switching to abstain, but leaning no.
As for Janusz...
Only one actually dead. One almost killed. And many women are seen entering the home to a "party". Admitteldy, what happens to them after the party if they "obey" and how long has it been going... that isn't elaborated on."Yeah, that's too reliant on implications for my liking.
Edited by ACW on Mar 27th 2024 at 2:10:14 PM
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And no, I did not forget the heinous standard. One would think overseeing mass slaughter and enjoying it is bad enough, but pardon me for not mentioning Hojo...not doing that?
I recommend you get off my back next time.