Ambiguous Name: Supernatural Is Purple

I think we should just tweak Emerald Power's description to say it's related to the trope we're making in this thread (but not a supertrope to it) and remove the wick to Supernatural Is Green.

Re Sandbox: Red Mage is not an example of Color Coded Magic, I think, since that's about a versatile magic user who can use different types of magic (as opposed to a Black Mage, who primarily use offensive spells, or a White Mage, who primarily use defensive or support magic), and doesn't have anything to do with colour.

Otherwise, the new description seems fine.

Edited by Adept on May 10th 2022 at 10:19:00 PM

I thought that was a part of Color-Coded Wizardry, i.e. Black Mage, White Mage, Red Mage, Blue Mage are all wizards assigned a color to help differentiate them.

I can replace it with Black Magic but I would also like to know for future reference.

Edited by amathieu13 on May 10th 2022 at 11:26:19 AM

Those tropes don't actually have anything to do with color. They only have those names because of they were named after the mages from Final Fantasy. Black Mage and White Mage are often associated with those colors but the tropes are more about the properties of the magic itself

Edited by MacronNotes on May 10th 2022 at 11:27:55 AM

I get that the names don't have much to do with the colors, but the colors are being used to differentiate the mages. When you see Black Mage, you know what kinds of spells they're going to use vs a White Mage vs a Blue Mage, etc.

If Color-Coded Wizardry is "spellcasters with signature colors," are those class names not an invocation of the trope?

Edited by amathieu13 on May 10th 2022 at 11:33:25 AM

But that's only in certain games. What I mean is that the colors aren't important to the trope so it might be misleading to link them. I think Red Mage (and for example, is mostly associated with that color within Final Fantasy. But, anyways, using Black Magic is sounds better to me.

Edited by MacronNotes on May 10th 2022 at 11:46:02 AM

it's still not fully clear to me, but that's a Color-Coded Wizardry thing. in any case, i rewrote that paragraph focusing on Black Magic instead

Black Mage (mage with offensive abilities), White Mage (mage with defensive/support abilities) and Red Mage (mage that can do a little of both) has more to do with the magic user's abilities, and color-coding is optional (I've played a game where both the white and black mage wear red). Their in-universe designations don't even typically use those color titles (white mages are typically called priests, clerics, etc. Black mages might be called wizards, sorcerers, etc.).

Black Magic isn't necessarily color-coded either. That's about magic that's associated with evil and malevolence (e.g. Necromancy, spells that requires sacrificing innocent lives to activate). Its user may wear black/dark colors, but that's also optional.

Edited by Adept on May 11th 2022 at 9:58:11 PM

Black Magic (and White Magic) are part of Color-Coded Wizardry's description currently as examples of this sentence "magic itself will specifically be color-coded, with different types of magic or specific magical orders or traditions being equated with specific colors" (emphasis mine)

i.e. dark magic as a magical tradition is associated with the term "black", not that it needs to be colored black. (this is why I don't understand why the Color + Mage thing also doesn't fall under this, but I digress)

Edited by amathieu13 on May 11th 2022 at 11:00:54 AM

NVM

Edited by MacronNotes on May 11th 2022 at 11:09:31 AM

"Black Magic and White Magic are a part of Color-Coded Wizardry description"

Well, for reasons stated they shouldn't be, these two are not color tropes.

Edited by Amonimus on May 11th 2022 at 6:37:59 PM

^you can understand my confusion though, right? (And again, it depends on what we mean by color tropes. Colors are being invoked in the names to characterize / classify the magic spells used under them. Black = dark = dangerous / damaging. White = light = supporting / helpful).

Seems like CCW needs a wick check and TRS of its own to check usage. Because as written, they are technically within the definition of the trope and I wonder how many examples (if any) are of the same vein.

that said, this isn't a thread for that trope. Feel free to cut the reference or reword it more accordingly

Edited by amathieu13 on May 11th 2022 at 12:32:51 PM

When it comes to color tropes, it's not about symbolic references to color (like with Black Mage and White Mage, which could just mean Dark Mage and Light Mage or be a reference to Black-and-White Morality), but about the literal usage of color to be associated with someone in the work. If the Black Mage actually wears black, sure, maybe that'd qualify, but a Black Mage on their own without the literal color association wouldn't.

I can see why we'd want to fix the reference on CCW though, it's definitely confusing.

not sure where this thread is at in terms of dewicking and moving things over to the new trope, but as I asked here, I went ahead and drafted a Mysterious Purple trope at the TLP. While dewicking Supernatural Is Purple, if you find examples that would fit the proposed draft, I'd appreciate it if you commented them to the draft here. Thanks!

The examples from Supernatural Is Green and Supernatural Is Purple haven't been moved to the sandbox yet to be sorted. I'll try moving applicable examples over to Sandbox.Technicolor Magic later.

Edited by MacronNotes on May 26th 2022 at 5:43:03 AM

I tried to look for good examples of Sandbox.Technicolor Magic on Supernatural Is Green and Supernatural Is Purple but I am finding that really hard to do. I only scoured up three. As stated before, most of the examples are "physical trait + color"

EDIT: Oh, there's a few examples on the wick check. Not enough to get the page to a launchable state but better than nothing. I will also look through Color-Coded for Your Convenience examples.

Edited by MacronNotes on May 26th 2022 at 6:04:18 AM

Is the description at least ready to move to Main/? I've been meaning to ask that but kept forgetting.

The description is ready. We are at the example gathering stage. We currently have 10 examples but I am trying to get at least 15-20 crosswickable example before we move the sandbox to main.

Edited by MacronNotes on May 26th 2022 at 3:45:03 PM

Fair enough.

I managed to find 17 examples in total so I guess that's good enough. If the example list looks fine and there's no objections, I'll move the draft over tomorrow and crosswick everything. Right now, I'm going to bed.

As an aside, is it worth referencing Emerald Power since that trope apparently covers green colored magic and powers?

Edited by MacronNotes on May 27th 2022 at 6:23:35 AM

yes. I think Purple Is Powerful and Emerald Power should both be mentioned as related tropes (or at least "not to be confused with" tropes)

Edited by amathieu13 on May 27th 2022 at 6:20:05 AM

I agree.

I added a few more examples so it's up to 21 now, but everything looks good otherwise

Edited by Hello83433 on May 28th 2022 at 4:18:22 AM

Macron, I think you made a small error when adding "Related to" immediately before the "See also" part. (Making it read "Related to See also".) I snipped that, but since you just added it I figured I should make it clear what happened.