Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
I want to be ask one thing before proceeding: Can I use this thread to request a more comprehensive character sheet overhaul, involving merging all subpages (which includes both CS Ps and categorical character sheets) back into the original character page?
Also, ACW: you could have used the edit reason to explain what you're doing. I'm freaked out with all the Case Closed changes.
Scientia et Libertas | Per Aspera ad Astra Nova
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That's fair re: Edit reason.
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Uzume's back baby!
Reposting my Neptunia suggestion:
- Neptunia - Main CPUs (66,197)
- Neptunia - Neptune (49,130)
- Neptunia - Candidates (32,413)
- Neptunia - Other CPUs (73,344)
- Neptunia - Oracles (13,027)
- Neptunia - Makers (50,291)
- Neptunia - Gold Third (35,819)
- Neptunia - Major Antagonists (79,412)
- Neptunia - Antagonists (78,700)
- Neptunia - Others (23,833)
- Neptunia - Spin-off Characters (42,959)
Both Neptune and the Main CPUs pages add up to 115k, so I think the former could be merged back.
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Agreed also, since both pages are equally as small and, when combined, add up to 158k.
Edited by ToonAbby on Mar 22nd 2024 at 8:25:41 AM
"The name's Uzume Tennouboshi! Yeah, it's pretty badass, I know." - Uzume, Megadimension Neptunia VII
Hi! :3
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Easy merge
Animu
Merge all antagonists too!
A previous comment came to the conclusion that Patrik and Plankton could be merged back into the Main Characters page, but it was only done for Patrick. Should we merge Plankton into it as well?
Edited by Ruderuby on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:43:15 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Besides FF & MI, here's some video game stuff:
- Don't know what to do about The Last of Us.
- Life is Strange: The Protagonists can't absorb BOTH Max and Chloe, but it feels weird to only absorb one. Either keep or create a separate page just for those two?
- Anyone brave enough to go through Mass Effect?
- Master Detective Archives: Rain Code is getting too big.
The Formatter
So I have a question regarding Patrick Star. Since he has a spinoff where he’s the title character, shouldn’t his CSP stay because it has to deal with two different shows?
Edited by GateStarX on Mar 22nd 2024 at 5:32:30 AM
It's gonna be fun on the bun!
low-poly Shinri
I'm explaining what I meant in #3927 regarding character-page mergers. The specific case here in My Next Life as a Villainess: All Routes Lead to Doom!, where the CSP in question is Characters.My Next Life As A Villainess All Routes Lead To Doom Catarina (90,443 bytes). The issue is the structure of the character pages are as follows: (The length here refers to the number of bytes in source, taken from the edit page.)
I don't know where should the CSP be merged to. The most natural location is Characters.My Next Life As A Villainess All Routes Lead To Doom Claes Family, but it feels like these two pages can just be merged directly into the main Character page. (I considered merging all 4 pages into the main Character page, but 312,768 bytes of source seems a bit too long.) How should I merge it? Strictly speaking, since the CSP is about the protagonist of the work, merging to any of these pages are, as far as logic is concerned, fine to me.
Edited by SamCurt on Mar 22nd 2024 at 8:30:37 AM
Scientia et Libertas | Per Aspera ad Astra Nova
About Total Drama:
- Total Drama Killer Bass: 113,341 (with header)
- Total Drama: Courtney: 54,686
- Total Drama: Duncan: 39,880
- Total Drama Screaming Gophers: 182,436 (with header)
- Total Drama: Heather: 53,827
- Total Drama New World Tour Contestants 35,506 (with header)
- Total Drama: Alejandro: 43,327
- Total Drama Mutant Maggots: 78,544 (with header)
- Total Drama: Mike: 65,641
- Total Drama Frogs Of Death: 152,509 (with header)
- Total Drama: Julia: 60,345
Thoughts?
Me as a Merman
I believe all of them should be merged back, as none of the original pages would have gone over 250k if they merged back.
How do you get the link to link to the comment like the one I made above? If I were to merge the pages, I need to be able to get people to see the comment.
The Undercover Troper
I noticed that Characters.Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure Golden Wind has reached maximum capacity, so I decided to do some calculations. As it turns out, none of the character folders exceed 40,000 bytes (the closest being Cioccolata at 38,333 bytes). These are my assessments on the major characters listed.
- Vinegar Doppio has 17,245 bytes.
- The Capos have 17,745 bytes combined.
- La Squadra has 109,753 bytes combined.
- Unità Speciale has 83,552 bytes combined.
- The other Passione members have 20,087 bytes combined.
- Scolippi has 4,341 bytes.
My personal suggestion would be to move Doppio to Diavolo's page, since he's his Split Personality, and give La Squadra a character page in a similar vein to Team Bucciarati, especially as the whole team has a picture while Unità Speciale does not. Any thoughts?
Orcus on His Throne will always be my pet peeve.
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Speaking of...
- JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Team Bucciarati could absorb Giorno.
- Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure Battle Tendency can probably absorb Kars.
- Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure Stardust Crusaders needs to be split, but JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders: The Joestar Group can probably absorb Kujo and Polnareff.
- Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure Jojolion can absorb Toru.
Characters.Dragon Ball Frieza is split into sub-pages. Was it discussed here?
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I don't think so, but it makes sense.
Was Dragon Ball Fused Zamasu discussed here? Although same thing.
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Hi! :3
Is someone planning to split All For One's CSP ? I found these three pages.
Edited by StalkerGamer on Mar 24th 2024 at 10:15:14 AM
Mr. Tahiti Plan der Linde
Makes no sense and this is unauthorized because we made a sandbox page months ago with the intent of trimming down and condensing as many entries as we could, given that most of us here felt that the existing entries are far too big and don't need to be textually exaggerated upon.
I'd say delete the subpages and make a stronger notice that there's a sandbox page that's meant to clear out issues we already have with AFO's page.
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"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Any opinions on this?
The Undercover Troper
Just want to get opinions on this.
Hi! :3
Create a sandbox with only the Video Game characters first.
I agree with the merge
Hi! :3
Here my thoughts with other merges (for now):
- Total Drama: Merge the CSPs to their respective teams' subpages
- Invincible: Merge them
- The Boys: Keep Homelander, Soldier Boy, Starlight, Stormfront and Black Noir for now.
- Kingdom Hearts: Keep the ones you said that are fine like Sora and Xehanort.
Don't forget the redirects
Edited by StalkerGamer on Mar 24th 2024 at 10:47:17 AM
Hi! :3
I'll see the others when I have time
Riddick stuff is done.
EDIT: So is Case Closed (I also merged Magic Kaito: Kaito Kuroba back to Magic Kaito).
What to do about FF and MI?
Edited by ACW on Mar 22nd 2024 at 11:35:12 AM
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