Unclear Description: But Not Too Black

Thanks! I tried to keep it from being too American or US centric, but I'm American and am therefore limited to what I know. I think it could use more international commentary. Also, given that this could be a potentially hot button article for trolls, adding more links to outside sources would be great. I wrote mostly from what I've learned and studied in school / read about over the years (which could use a fact check anyways).

By the way, we may need to summarize and cut some paragraphs because the page became overly long.

really? I've DEFINITELY seen longer useful notes pages. Is there a specific word limit we have to keep it under?

So, do we have any idea on what to do with the main But Not Too Black page?

I started a "mixed race people are attractive" draft from some Mixed Ancestry examples, since that is being detroped. (The description links to But Not Too Black in the meantime.) Might help here.

Edited by Synchronicity on Oct 24th 2021 at 7:39:47 AM

Don't think there's a word limit for these things but generally speaking they don't need to be that long.

Well, how about we redefine it to characters experiencing discrimination because they are dark skinned and then rename it as discussed at the beginning?

I would typically agree if I thought there was info redundancy. Wordiness, sure, edit away. But information-wise, I don't think there's anything I would recommend outright removing. For comparison, here's the useful notes page for Existentialism, which is almost 1400 words. The current But Not Too Black draft is just under 1200. Similarly, the page for Dyslexia is also around 1200.

Typically, I've found that useful notes pages that explain sociological concepts or historical events / time periods are on the longer end since there's a certain amount of historical context needed

Bumping since it's been a month.

While was my preferred "redefinition", I think it needs a few more s since the crowner option for redefinition was quite vague.

I think the redefinition proposed above makes sense.

for "redefine" to in-universe discrimination of dark-skinned characters

Edited by Tabs on Dec 9th 2021 at 7:48:14 AM

I’m good with that redefinition, but I don’t think it needs to be changed, since But Not Too White has an analogous name and has the inverse definition. (That’s assuming that But Not Too White isn’t misused as well, but that’s a separate issue.)

On a side note, has anyone claimed the idea of Adaptationally Paler yet? I could create and sponsor a TLP draft if nobody else is interested in doing so.

Edited by jandn2014 on Dec 21st 2021 at 12:15:53 PM

Bumping for more input

I think it's fine to create that TLP idea.

I haven't been keeping up with this thread, but what redefinition is being discussed here? The crowner that's currently up already has redefining within consensus range for the main But Not Too Black page.

Selkies suggested that we redefine But Not Too Black to be about dark skinned characters facing in-universe colorism. That’s technically the same thing as the crowner option

Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 20th 2022 at 4:30:41 AM

I saw that Sandbox.Colorism Useful Notes exists for the proposed Useful Notes page (I overlooked that when I made my previous post), but has anyone worked on But Not Too Black's description? I don't know what to write, so I thought I'd ask.

No one has rewritten But Not Too Black yet. I am not sure how to do that but if something comes to me, I’ll post a rough draft.

Bumping to generate more discussion.

I still don't know where to start for a description for this trope but I did make Sandbox.But Not Too Black anyways. The description has to be rewritten completely because it's more about casting than in-universe discrimination of darker skinned people.

Has the description been updated, and does this have a sandbox for keeping track of cleanup, similarly to how the Actually Pretty Funny thread has Sandbox.Actually Pretty Clean?

The description hasn't been updated. I have no idea how to rewrite it and I don't think anyone else is interested in writing it either. I don't know how we can progress without a rewritten description so I don't think we wick clean until that's done. It might be worth clocking the thread since it's been a while since any progress has been made besides the Useful Notes/ draft.

I don't have a problem with clocking it.

Yeah, I remember this thread stalled almost immediately when the crowner was called, because nobody really knew how to implement a new definition.

Will the Colorism Useful Note be used?

Edited by amathieu13 on Feb 28th 2022 at 3:54:13 PM

I personally think we don't need to keep this thread open for it to be created.

Clock expired, so locking up.